Well that one... John McCain is Anti-Global warming.  So there is no reason for Obama to adress it in the US elections.

I mean, honestly, though Obama's target number is higher McCain's plan seems like the better one to me since it doesn't rely on well... Ethanol and "Clean Coal" technology.

I mean, maybe they've made some advances in "Clean Coal" but i seem to remember a lot of people criticizing people like Bush for pushing that stuff.

Of course I also think Global Warming is mostly non-human driven and the solutions to it should be cooling and not reduction... that way your covered both ways... and even if global warming is man made this time... next time it might not be.

I mean... the largest cause of Human caused global warming is livestock flatuelence apparently. (According to the UN again... another reason for peopel to go vegetarian who believe in global warming.)

I mean, does livestock really fart that much more then every other animal on the planet combined?

look rocket, dude, whatever man. You believe whatever you want to believe. But its your country that's getting hit with more cyclones and more forest fires and more tornados. Must be magic or something

Eating meat deprives starving people of food and water. It takes ridiculous amounts of clean water and vegetables to raise a cow into a steak (not to mention their damage to the atmosphere). It takes too much. It is wasteful and deadly given the world's finite resources.

Knowing this and saying "I'll do whatever I want, you can't take my steak away" is an asshole thing to do that actually kills people.

Food is getting more expensive and dirtier at the same time, while we're running out of oil, so it's more expensive to transport the little food we have. This definitely is the most important issue today.

However, politicians and the media are afraid to tell people to go vegan because that makes them look soft or weak somehow, because people are basically stupid and insane and think meat makes you manly or something. It really doesn't make a lick of sense.

Here's a question for meat-eaters: if you had 2 options, a steak, and a fake steak, and the fake steak was tastier, healthier, cheaper, better for the environment, and better for world starvation, would you still pick the steak?

Same goes for milk and its amazing alternatives made out of soy, rice, or almonds.


(I eat meat, just not every day.)


Every 2 seconds somebody starves to death. 85% of them are children.
Every 2 seconds somebody starves to death. 85% of them are children.
Every 2 seconds somebody starves to death. 85% of them are children.

DAMN.

From my (very limited) understanding, I thought the Chevy Volt was a hybrid electric car which allows you to drive it in pure-electric mode and used the gas generator more as a back-up system.

It seems I'm the only one thinking population control is the solution for hunger, not avoiding meat. Avoiding meat will probably cause even more hunger in the long run.

Quite ironically, it's possible that every time you eat a steak you're saving lives.

yea we got the same problem here. After all, our current economic prosperity is built on coal exporting to china. Can't say no to that clearly.

Were pushing clean coal, which isn't anywhere near complete or even suitable with about 40% efficiency, because it will hold back cc. Atleast theoretically.
The advent of excessive carbon pollution as coal plants continue to be built for another 20 years has to be met with a solution, not building new plants in the first place hasn't been a solution.

He didn't say he didn't believe in global warming. (which is somewhat unreasonable.)

What he said is that he doesn't believe humans are the main cause of it.

Saving lives by killing people before they have babies, to stop other potential murders? I'm not sure I get you NJ5.

i dont like soy milk. Sure i could get used to it but i dont like it

And i saw that british doco about meat produced in a petri dish in a science lab. That looked pretty fukn awful

I've yet to have a vegetarian steak as good as a real one.  Mostly because A1 tastes weird on them.  Hey if you've got a good recipe or brand though i'm willing to give it a shot.

Now Vegetarian Hotdogs.  They rule.... way more then regular Hotdogs.

Hamburgers... are almost as good.

I've yet to find a REALLY good vegetarian jerky that wasn't ridiculiously pricey.  I mean it's even really expensive to make yourself.  Probably because the stuff is already expensive in meat form.