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TheBigFatJ said:
bdbdbd said:

 

The difference is their chosen business model. While Apple is making premium on every product sold on (comparatively) niche market, M$ runs its OS as an industry standard, with smaller profit per unit sold.

Sure, but there are more differences.  Apple's customers are all Apple's customers by choice, wheras MS customers are largely MS customers by cohesion.  "I have to be compatible with (business|school|friends/family) and therefore I have to run windows."

It's funny -- MS makes terrible mistakes that they claim aren't mistakes, then they have to clean them up later.  They're remarkably short-sighted.  Bill Gates stated, not all that long ago, that the Internet would never pick up for home users so they weren't going to design around it.  When it did become popular, they refused to create a security model around it.  Instead, in order to beat Netscape in the browser wars, Microsoft integrated their insecure browser closely with their OS ensuring security nightmares for years to come.

Now, about 10 years after everyone else had been implementing UAC, Microsoft introduced an overly-aggressive and piss-poor implementaion of UAC with Vista, claiming it was a security innovation.  Of course, by being overly aggressive it has the opposite effect as security and only trains users to type their password whenever prompted.

The problem isn't that MS copies its competitors and is late to the game over and over.  The problem is that MS misses the point when it does so and ends up with a shitty copy.  With the Xbox 360, you see primarily the fruit of better companies than MS -- those quality third parties putting out quality games.  Whereas the actual hardware for the 360 might be the worst hardware in the history of consumer electronics.

So what has MS done good lately?  I don't care much for Apple, but at least they don't make stupid decisions over and over and over.  At least they've made successful products this decade and at least they can perform standard business functions (like successful marketing campaigns), generating profit in multiple divisions, increasing consumer loyalty, supporting consumers properly, etc.

Me sentiments exactly ... its like you took the words right out of my mouth ... 

May u just say .. QFT  =3

 



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ymeaga1n said:
Fei-Hung said:

My Opinion on why Microsoft became successful

To me, it is all very straight forward. Whilst PC's were a great machine to own, until Microsoft came along, they were not user friendly to the majority of the users. Microsoft allowed people to easily access PC's to do regular work as well as more complex. It allowed people who were new to the PC to find a friendly start whilst those who were professionals, it allowed them to build on their skills. Microsoft was fresh, it was creative and innovative! It was so good in fact; that the money which came pouring in, made Bill Gates, founder of MS the richest man on earth at the time and made the company so powerful, the government had to step in and split the company into three.

LOL Microsoft was never split by the gov't.

 

http://www.businessweek.com/1998/16/b3574008.htm

http://money.cnn.com/2000/04/28/companies/microsoft/

http://news.cnet.com/Government-expected-to-stick-with-two-way-split/2100-1001_3-241080.html

 

in response to the OP it'll be a long time before Microsoft's lack of a competetive edge becomes a real issue , they are an integral part of the way we live and that's not going to change too soon.




Million said:

in response to the OP it'll be a long time before Microsoft's lack of a competetive edge becomes a real issue , they are an integral part of the way we live and that's not going to change too soon.

 

Yes, but consider their profitable avenues: windows and Office.  If someone came up with an Office clone that was accepted by businesses, schools and people everywhere MS would be /completely/ vulnerable because they haven't found a way to make a profit anywhere else.



@Fei-Hung

are you joking??
Once Mr gate open his chequebook, Apple, Sony and Google are noting to MS.



^ True that haha



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@TheBigFatJ

You do realize that Bill Gates is still the richest person on the planet and Microsoft is still one of the biggest most powerful corporations in the world. You can rant all you want about how incompetent MS is, in the end all the problems you listed really don't mean shit because MS is still going to be as rich and powerful. If toppling MS was as easy as releasing a better version of Microsoft Office then I'm sure someone would have done it by now, there's a reason Bill Gates is still on top.



                                           

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Mendicate Bias said:
@TheBigFatJ

You do realize that Bill Gates is still the richest person on the planet and Microsoft is still one of the biggest most powerful corporations in the world. You can rant all you want about how incompetent MS is, in the end all the problems you listed really don't mean shit because MS is still going to be as rich and powerful. Trust me if MS was so vulnerable then they would have lost their power long ago, there's a reason Bill Gates is still on top.

It's a fact that they're vulnerable.  Why do you think they make office compatibility so difficult?  Why do you think they're breaking antitrust laws?  Why do you think MS strongarms companies like Dell into selling little or no Linux to home users?  Why do you think they're struggling so hard to find another way to be profitable despite failing over and over and over again?  Why do you think they keep trying to acquire successful companies?

Yes, Microsoft did create the single wealthiest people in the world through successfully stealing products and ideas.  No one, not even Microsoft will dispute these facts.  Look at /Pirates of Silicon Valley/ or /Triumph of the Nerds/ and you'll see that these things are true. 

The problem MS has is that they can't seem to replicate that success through normal business methods.  And their time with Office being on top is limited -- Google, IBM, Apple and Sun are among the best companies that would all love to release an Office program.  Google already has a suite that is gaining popularity with business users.  When Office falls, Windows won't be far behind and those are the only two areas that Microsoft makes money on right now.

So you can see, can't you, why MS is trying so damn hard to be successful somewhere else.  Because while Windows and Office are insanely profitable, that profit is not gauranteed forever.

 



they are not that bad, but the competition is certainly better.



TheBigFatJ said:
Mendicate Bias said:
@TheBigFatJ

You do realize that Bill Gates is still the richest person on the planet and Microsoft is still one of the biggest most powerful corporations in the world. You can rant all you want about how incompetent MS is, in the end all the problems you listed really don't mean shit because MS is still going to be as rich and powerful. Trust me if MS was so vulnerable then they would have lost their power long ago, there's a reason Bill Gates is still on top.

It's a fact that they're vulnerable.  Why do you think they make office compatibility so difficult?  Why do you think they're breaking antitrust laws?  Why do you think MS strongarms companies like Dell into selling little or no Linux to home users?  Why do you think they're struggling so hard to find another way to be profitable despite failing over and over and over again?  Why do you think they keep trying to acquire successful companies?

Yes, Microsoft did create the single wealthiest people in the world through successfully stealing products and ideas.  No one, not even Microsoft will dispute these facts.  Look at /Pirates of Silicon Valley/ or /Triumph of the Nerds/ and you'll see that these things are true. 

The problem MS has is that they can't seem to replicate that success through normal business methods.  And their time with Office being on top is limited -- Google, IBM, Apple and Sun are among the best companies that would all love to release an Office program.  Google already has a suite that is gaining popularity with business users.  When Office falls, Windows won't be far behind and those are the only two areas that Microsoft makes money on right now.

So you can see, can't you, why MS is trying so damn hard to be successful somewhere else.  Because while Windows and Office are insanely profitable, that profit is not gauranteed forever.

 

That might be obvious for the well informed like you and me however for 99% of the population, they couldn't care less. Google could create a version of office a hundred times better than microsofts but I can gaurantee you that the majority of people will continue to use Microsoft Office because its the program they have always used and the only thing they are comfortable with. Windows has become so ingrained with the PC that your everyday average joe can't mentally seperate the two. Sure Google might eat a bit into MS's share of the market but at the end of the day our moms and dads and little sisters are still going to be using MS's products.

 



                                           

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The OP is nothing but lies and exagerations. WTF? Why are the PS3 Fanboys are such morons on this web-site?