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oxford-gamer on 19 September 2008

If the elections were held today (and if i was of legal age), I would vote for Steven Harper. I feel his government made a honest effort to accomplish their objectives. Oh wait ...



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luinil on 19 September 2008
Kasz216 said:
bigjon said:
^Obama has some pretty exteme views on Abortion and the Economy and such. He also has voted 97% of the time with his party... I think he is up there with Boxer, Feingold, and the likes... he is definitly on the fringe.

Mccain is about a Centrist as you can be. That is why he was having problems with the base before he picked Palin. You see on a of 1-10 with 1 being conservative and 10 being liberal Mccain would be a 5, Lieberman would be a 6, and Obama would be a 9.5.... Bush would be a 1.5 and Palin would be a 2. John Lennon would be a 10, lol.

What are his extreme views on abortion?  Last I checked he passed some law preventing partial birth abortions, or didn't but was for some law that prevented them.

 

Didn't Obama vote present for what essentially was the Born Alive Protection Act 3 or 4 times? Voting Present on something like that isn't an answer, it is a cop out and a terrible one at that.



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rocketpig on 19 September 2008

Wait, aren't you guys just proving jon's point?

Obama and Biden are some of the most Liberal senators around... Both very partisan by any standards. Meanwhile, a bastion of liberalism listed several time in this thread, Feingold, was co-author on John McCain's last major bill IIRC.

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin...




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Rath on 19 September 2008
bigjon said:
^Obama has some pretty exteme views on Abortion and the Economy and such. He also has voted 97% of the time with his party... I think he is up there with Boxer, Feingold, and the likes... he is definitly on the fringe.

Mccain is about a Centrist as you can be. That is why he was having problems with the base before he picked Palin. You see on a of 1-10 with 1 being conservative and 10 being liberal Mccain would be a 5, Lieberman would be a 6, and Obama would be a 9.5.... Bush would be a 1.5 and Palin would be a 2. John Lennon would be a 10, lol.

Palin is a one mate. She's more conservative than Bush.

 



rocketpig on 19 September 2008

I think more than a few people here need to reminded that an overturn of Roe v Wade does NOT outlaw abortion. It would take years for that situation to occur and it would involve multiple lawsuits dragged out forever.




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Jackson50 on 19 September 2008

I only disagreed with his assertion that Obama was THE most liberal senator. There is no doubt that Obama is a liberal, but THE most liberal...come on. That distinction would go to either Feingold or Sanders.

I also made that point earlier. If by some miracle Roe v Wade is overturned, the existing state laws would decide the legality. Certain states (WA and NY) would have abortion on demand; other states (CO and CA) would allow it in certain instances; and it would be illegal in most other states.



rocketpig on 20 September 2008

But realize that many states would immediately change their abortion laws if given the chance. Things have changed since 1972 or whenever the Court decided on that.

After all, this is a republic. There is little to danger by giving them back a power that is so entirely ambiguous.

And yes, it is ambiguous. Anyone who declares otherwise is a damned fool.




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bigjon on 20 September 2008

+1 for Rocketpig

Until abortion is legalized through an Ammendment it is not in the const. and therefore not a right. Even then they can repeal an Ammendment (prohibtion)



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Kasz216 on 20 September 2008
rocketpig said:
But realize that many states would immediately change their abortion laws if given the chance. Things have changed since 1972 or whenever the Court decided on that.

After all, this is a republic. There is little to danger by giving them back a power that is so entirely ambiguous.

And yes, it is ambiguous. Anyone who declares otherwise is a damned fool.

If you took having more Pro-Life then Pro-Choice voters as the precendent it would be 13 states

Starting with Utah.... for some reason.  I guess the Mormons?



Jackson50 on 20 September 2008
bigjon said:
+1 for Rocketpig

Until abortion is legalized through an Ammendment it is not in the const. and therefore not a right. Even then they can repeal an Ammendment (prohibtion)

 

Abortion is protected through an Amendment. The Supreme Court ruled that a person has a right to privacy under the "Due Process Clause" and that laws which prohibited abortion violated this right to privacy. Since the "Due Process Clause" is in Section I of the 14th Amendment, this violated a woman's constitutional rights.