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GOP Money Power Takes On Obama Fundraising

The presidential money race is turning into a closer thing than it first appeared.

While Democratic nominee Barack Obama surpassed Sen. John McCain in fundraising during the primaries, the McCain campaign is now benefiting from huge sums of money raised by the Republican Party and funneled toward advertising for the McCain-Palin ticket.

Obama — who opted out of public financing — had $77 million in the bank at the beginning of September.

McCain took $84 million in public funds, which must carry him to Election Day. The law says McCain cannot raise or spend more than that $84 million, while Obama has no spending limit.

But McCain has found a way to work around these limits. The Republican Party — and not his campaign committee — has paid for more than half of his campaign ads and outspent Obama on television in the first week following the conventions.

McCain is using an arrangement in which he is not collecting private money, while the Republican National Committee is.

An analysis released on Wednesday by the Wisconsin Advertising Project at the University of Wisconsin-Madison finds that the RNC helped pay for more than 55 percent of McCain's ads in the week after the convention. These are called hybrid ads — and they are legal.

Ken Goldstein is head of the Wisconsin Advertising Project. "There is absolutely nothing different in terms of content, tone or targeting from a completely candidate-sponsored ad and a hybrid ad. Indistinguishable," he said.

Goldstein says McCain's campaign does not have to worry about its own financing. The government took care of that.

"But it enables them to spend that additional money and retain control," he said. "And that's the key thing. A dollar you control is much better than a dollar you don't control, even if that other dollar is spent on your behalf."

How Hybrid Ads Work

The pioneer in using hybrid ads was President Bush in 2004. Democrat John Kerry quickly followed.

Now, McCain and the RNC have perfected the technique with an entity called McCain-Palin Victory 2008.

It is a joint committee to raise money for the RNC, four of the state Republican parties and the legal compliance committee for McCain-Palin, which pays for the campaign committee's lawyers and accountants.

Donors can give up to $67,800 each. All of the cash cycles back to help the McCain campaign rather than being diverted for other Republican candidate campaigns.

Legalities Of Party Funds

This works so well because the RNC is raising far more money than the Democratic National Committee. In its last official filings, the RNC had $75 million on hand — almost 10 times more than the DNC.

Public financing made it illegal for presidential candidates to raise money from ultrarich donors, at least for their own campaigns.

But critics say that's exactly what Obama and McCain ended up doing — raising money for these victory committees.

Rick Hasen teaches election law at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "Between all of the complex laws and regulations and Supreme Court opinions that rule over this area of campaign finance, we end up with some pretty perverse things," he said.

And McCain and Obama have gone from being champions of campaign reform to poster children instead. Fred Wertheimer, head of the watchdog group Democracy 21, says victory committees are a problem that needs fixing.

"The way they have been used in 2008 has made the case for shutting them down legislatively in the future," he said.

And here's the curious thing: That effort could give President McCain or President Obama a chance to reclaim his image as a reformer.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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I don't see a problem here, just politicians spending tax money.



...i dont get it...are you upset he has the funds to challenge obama now ?



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MrBubbles said:
...i dont get it...are you upset he has the funds to challenge obama now ?

 

No, he's mad because McCain is circumventing the restrictions on public funding, costing taxpayers more money.



MrBubbles said:
...i dont get it...are you upset he has the funds to challenge obama now ?

I'm not upset, I just find it hypocritical of McCain to do this while shouting out that he stands by public financing.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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No he's upset because McCain ran on a Campaign Finance Reform platform since he was involved in the Keating Five Scandal.

Since he lucked out and got off he has been talking the CFR talk.

Using public money AND finding a way to get around the rules.

Why is public money given to candidates?

 

Edit: CFR how to?  No paid or donated advertising in print, on the air or online.  Fixed.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

MrBubbles said:
...i dont get it...are you upset he has the funds to challenge obama now ?

You didn't follow the last two presidential elections and what McCain said about the "Iron Triangle"? Have you ever heard of the McCain-Feingold Law? Are you upset that he's found loopholes in the law that he sponsored and fought hard to get enacted? Are you accusing McCain of being a hypocrite?



fkusumot said:
MrBubbles said:
...i dont get it...are you upset he has the funds to challenge obama now ?

You didn't follow the last two presidential elections and what McCain said about the "Iron Triangle"? Have you ever heard of the McCain-Feingold Law? Are you upset that he's found loopholes in the law that he sponsored and fought hard to get enacted? Are you accusing McCain of being a hypocrite?

 

no.  ill assume thats the one about the funding..?   nope. doesnt appear that way.

tbh...im just amused.  it was set up to make it fair...if obama wants to play without those rules, then i dont really see an issue with them helping mccain.  otherwise obama would simply be buying the election.



"I like my steaks how i like my women.  Bloody and all over my face"

"Its like sex, but with a winner!"

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MrBubbles said:
fkusumot said:
MrBubbles said:
...i dont get it...are you upset he has the funds to challenge obama now ?

You didn't follow the last two presidential elections and what McCain said about the "Iron Triangle"? Have you ever heard of the McCain-Feingold Law? Are you upset that he's found loopholes in the law that he sponsored and fought hard to get enacted? Are you accusing McCain of being a hypocrite?

 

no.  ill assume thats the one about the funding..?   nope. doesnt appear that way.

tbh...im just amused.  it was set up to make it fair...if obama wants to play without those rules, then i dont really see an issue with them helping mccain.  otherwise obama would simply be buying the election.

Oh Mr. Bubbles...your ignorance of everything that your own candidate stands for is very disheartening...

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson


Honestly, if McCain had run the campaign the way he said he would in the primaries I think he would easily be ahead of Obama right now.

I wouldn't have changed my party affiliation, the last two politically active republicans I liked Ron Paul and John McCain have ruined it for me.

It's not Ron Paul's fault because the Republicans demonstrated that they don't care about free markets when they didn't select him.

McCain did it to himself.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.