Who won the VP debate?
Not who I think won or who you think won.
Survey USA
Biden 51% Palin 32%
MediaCurves.com tracked independent voters
Biden 67% to Palin 33%
CNN/Opinion Research
Biden 51 Palin 36
CBS
Biden 46 Palin 21
Fox
Biden 61 Palin 39
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
| steven787 said: Who won the VP debate? Not who I think won or who you think won. Survey USA |
Pretty hard to argue against that...
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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
New Nevada numbers are looking good for Obama:
RCP Average 09/27 - 10/02 -- 49.3 47.5 Obama +1.8
Rasmussen 10/02 - 10/02 700 LV 51 47 Obama +4
InAdv/PollPosition 09/30 - 09/30 437 LV 48 47 Obama +1
CNN/Time 09/28 - 09/30 684 LV 51 47 Obama +4
ARG 09/27 - 09/29 600 LV 47 49 McCain +2
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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
Hey steven, can you give me a link to those Fox numbers? I told my cousin Fox said Biden won and she didn't believe me, but then I couldn't find the numbers.
It had like 70 million vewiers, wonder if that is going to bump Obama's numbers. I know VP debate usually has no effect but maybe this time it will. Would be nice.
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Well apparently McCain's new strategy is to fight even dirtier than before.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27018572/
"McCain plans fiercer strategy against Obama
GOP plans to focus on Democrat's judgment, honesty and personal ties"
In a bind? Sling more mud. Because if people don't want you for who you are, you can at least make them hate the other guy more.
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| The_vagabond7 said: Well apparently McCain's new strategy is to fight even dirtier than before. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27018572/ "McCain plans fiercer strategy against Obama GOP plans to focus on Democrat's judgment, honesty and personal ties" In a bind? Sling more mud. Because if people don't want you for who you are, you can at least make them hate the other guy more. |
That is Rule #1 in the Karl Rove playbook. Fear, uncertainty, doubt.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
akuma587 said:
That is Rule #1 in the Karl Rove playbook. Fear, uncertainty, doubt.
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Hmm, sounds like more of the same :P
Well, in this atmosphere i doubt it will work. American wants ANSWERS not smears.
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Here's a quick blog that runs down some of the electoral map possibilities. This guy thinks it looks grim for McCain. Looking at the charts, it's hard to disagree.
http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/03/mccain-s-leaving-michigan-can-he-still-win-on-nov-4.aspx
Why McCain is Leaving Michigan--and What It Means for Nov. 4
Last night's debate between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden may not have "altered the basic contours of the race." But that doesn't mean nothing important happened yesterday. It's just that it was happening 365 miles to the northeast, in the great state of Michigan.
Lost amid all the Beltway blather and bloviation about the Showdown in St. Louis Thursday evening was one of the most significant revelations since the start of the race. John McCain, it seems, has decided to pull out of the Great Lakes State. As Politico's Jonathan Martin reported first, "McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states." The information leaked after McCain, who has watched Barack Obama surge to a sizable lead in national and swing state polls over the past few days, canceled a local event scheduled for next week. "It was always a long shot for us to win," said an aide.
That's probably accurate. But the truth is, without Michigan--which the campaign has now all but admitted that it will lose--it's very difficult to see how McCain can emerge victorious on Nov. 4. For months, McCain has made Michigan the centerpiece of his electoral offense, and with good reason. Iowa, a state that George W. Bush won in 2004, is almost certain to swing to Obama; he currently leads there by more than 10 points on average. Same goes for New Mexico, where Obama's ahead by 8. When combined with John Kerry's 251 electoral votes, those two states alone would put Obama within seven of the magic 270 mark; a single, additional win in either Colorado, Virginia, Ohio or Florida--all of which currently favor the Democrat--would put him over the top. Which is why McCain, desperate to make up ground, has long pinned his hopes on Michigan. The Arizona senator was polling within 2 points of his Illinois opponent as recently as Sept. 10.
Unfortunately, the recent avalanche of distressing economic news--especially impactful in a state with the nation's highest level of unemployment--seems to have moved the expensive Great Lakes State out of McCain's reach. The two polls released since Sept. 24--PPP and the Detroit Free Press--show Obama ahead by 10 and 13 points, respectively, and his average lead has more than tripled (from 2 percent to 7 percent) over the past three weeks. McCain's internal polling likely confirms these margins (otherwise, he'd be staying put). As a result, Republican strategists I spoke to last night in St. Louis said that the Republican nominee would now reinvest his Michigan resources in a quartet of Kerry states: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota and New Hampshire. "He could take any one of them," an RNC bigwig told me.
But while the GOP is outwardly optimistic, a closer look at the numbers shows that McCain is no stronger in these states than in Michigan. McCain's strongest pick-up possibility is probably the unpredictable Granite State, where Obama now leads by an average of 4 points but where McCain has a long history of electoral success. Still, the senator would need more than New Hampshire's four electoral votes to make up for likely losses in Iowa and New Mexico--and neither Wisconsin, Minnesota or Pennsylvania is currently leaning his way. In Wisconsin, he trails by 5 points; in Minnesota, he lags by 5.7; and in Pennsylvania, he's behind by nearly 8. According to FiveThirtyEight.com, a site that blends current polling with demographic statistics and past electoral results to generate remarkably accurate Election Day projections--see its primary season record here--the only Kerry state that McCain has a better chance of capturing than Michigan (13 percent) is New Hampshire (37 percent). Pennsylvania, at 14 percent, is a wash; Minnesota and Wisconsin (8 percent each) are probably out of reach.
Ultimately, then, McCain's Michigan withdrawal underscores how limited his electoral map has become. In confirming the news, McCain field director Mike DuHaime was quick to note that the campaign would move staff to Maine, which awards its electoral votes by congressional district. The announcement was revealing. Apparently, the McCain campaign is now staking its path to victory, at least in part, on Obama winning Iowa, New Mexico and Colorado and losing New Hampshire, which would result in a 269-269 draw--at which point McCain would turn to Maine's Second Congressional District (where Kerry won 52-46) for the tie-breaking vote. The problem with this scenario, though, is that's there's no room for error. For Maine to matter, Obama would have to lose his 4-point lead in New Hampshire; his 2-point lead in Ohio; his 3-point lead in Florida; his 0.5-point lead in Nevada; his 0.5 lead in North Carolina; and his 2.4-point lead in Virginia. Not one of them--all of them. Meanwhile, Maine's second district would have to break sharply with the rest of the state, which currently favors Obama by 7.6 percent. Could it happen? Sure. These stats are based on current polling, and as September showed us, voter preferences still fluctuate in response to events. It's just that at this point, Obama has a 7 or 8 plausible paths to 270--and McCain has only one. So for now it doesn't look likely.
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Guys, I feel really bad. Now that Obama is almost certain to win, it feels like we liberals have dominated Off Topic. Seriously, I should at least see a conservative running in here and calling Obama the devil, but it's nowhere to be found.
*Sigh*
Please conservative posters, come back with your underhanded Obama insults. I miss you.
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