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akuma587 on 16 September 2008
Coca-Cola said:
akuma587 said:
This thread is so far off topic...but I guess bigjon really didn't give us much of a topic to begin with.

 

It's funny how we have the same concerns but different conclusions.

i think Republicans and especially the christians care more about the poor in this country than the democrats.  democrats use them for votes by telling them that they will get free money if democrats are in power.

crazy isn't it?  Oh well, I hope we are both right and whoever wins the election will do their best to fix this country.

Notice how you put Christians and Democrats into two different groups...I for instance am a Christian and a Democrat.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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Jackson50 on 17 September 2008
akuma587 said:
Coca-Cola said:
akuma587 said:
This thread is so far off topic...but I guess bigjon really didn't give us much of a topic to begin with.

 

It's funny how we have the same concerns but different conclusions.

i think Republicans and especially the christians care more about the poor in this country than the democrats.  democrats use them for votes by telling them that they will get free money if democrats are in power.

crazy isn't it?  Oh well, I hope we are both right and whoever wins the election will do their best to fix this country.

Notice how you put Christians and Democrats into two different groups...I for instance am a Christian and a Democrat.

You are not a Christian. Science has proven through many studies that Christians cannot be Democrats. 

 



steven787 on 17 September 2008
Jackson50 said:
akuma587 said:
Coca-Cola said:
akuma587 said:
This thread is so far off topic...but I guess bigjon really didn't give us much of a topic to begin with.

 

It's funny how we have the same concerns but different conclusions.

i think Republicans and especially the christians care more about the poor in this country than the democrats.  democrats use them for votes by telling them that they will get free money if democrats are in power.

crazy isn't it?  Oh well, I hope we are both right and whoever wins the election will do their best to fix this country.

Notice how you put Christians and Democrats into two different groups...I for instance am a Christian and a Democrat.

You are not a Christian. Science has proven through many studies that Christians cannot be Democrats. 

 

 

What?  Sarcasm?



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

TheRealMafoo on 17 September 2008
akuma587 said:
Is it fair for people who can barely afford to pay for their food and rent to have to pay as much of a percentage of their income as taxes when there are people out there who were born into an affluent family, were able to receive an education, and are a professional making over 150k a year on their own?

Fairness to one person is not fairness to another. My family makes over 150k, and I do not think that is fair. To quote the Bible, which many Republicans conveniently ignore when it doesn't suit their interests, "The only thing they asked us to do was to remember the destitute, the very thing I was eager to do." Galatians 2:10.

I have just never understood how the purportedly Christian party can have such an unsympathetic attitude towards the poor? It just doesn't make sense to me, unless you assume they are hypocrites.

I am not talking about you Kasz, as I have no idea what your religious orientation is.

And I am not claiming that religion should have any place in politics, I just find it very contradictory that the Republican Party claims to have the high ground on religious issues (or at least, religious issues as it defines them).

 

This is where you and I disagree a great deal. I feel it is our responsibility as a country, and a people, to remove all roadblocks that allow individuals to be successful. In this country, anyone can go to collage, vote, hold any job, live anywhere, and hold any public office.

The color of your skin, and your economic background at birth do not define how far you can go.

Now, we live in a free country, and as a free county, not only do we have the freedoms to succeed, we also have the freedoms to fail. If one makes the choices that leads him or her to failure, as sad as it is, it does not mean it's now the responsibility of the people who made the right choices to take care of you.

Our Declaration of Independence granted us "life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". The key world is pursuit. Happiness is not to be given to us, we need to do what is required to achieve it.



steven787 on 17 September 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
Is it fair for people who can barely afford to pay for their food and rent to have to pay as much of a percentage of their income as taxes when there are people out there who were born into an affluent family, were able to receive an education, and are a professional making over 150k a year on their own?

Fairness to one person is not fairness to another. My family makes over 150k, and I do not think that is fair. To quote the Bible, which many Republicans conveniently ignore when it doesn't suit their interests, "The only thing they asked us to do was to remember the destitute, the very thing I was eager to do." Galatians 2:10.

I have just never understood how the purportedly Christian party can have such an unsympathetic attitude towards the poor? It just doesn't make sense to me, unless you assume they are hypocrites.

I am not talking about you Kasz, as I have no idea what your religious orientation is.

And I am not claiming that religion should have any place in politics, I just find it very contradictory that the Republican Party claims to have the high ground on religious issues (or at least, religious issues as it defines them).

 

This is where you and I disagree a great deal. I feel it is our responsibility as a country, and a people, to remove all roadblocks that allow individuals to be successful. In this country, anyone can go to collage, vote, hold any job, live anywhere, and hold any public office.

The color of your skin, and your economic background at birth do not define how far you can go.

Now, we live in a free country, and as a free county, not only do we have the freedoms to succeed, we also have the freedoms to fail. If one makes the choices that leads him or her to failure, as sad as it is, it does not mean it's now the responsibility of the people who made the right choices to take care of you.

Our Declaration of Independence granted us "life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". The key world is pursuit. Happiness is not to be given to us, we need to do what is required to achieve it.

Here are some reasons why neither party supports that.  ("life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" from the Declaration of Independence which is not a legal document in the US anyway)

Life:

Republicans: War and Death Penalty

Democrats: Abortion and Death Penalty

 

Liberty:

Republicans: Disregard for privacy and jurisprudence, supporting censorship in all media.

Democrats: Supporting censorship in some forms of media.

 

"Pursuit of Happiness" (Traditionally property from Locke's work)

Republicans: Devalue your money by spending running huge defecits.  This is why prices shot up and home prices collapsed (when a bank has a loan out and money is worth less, than they lose money because the interest rate is lower than real world inflation)

Democrats: Raise corporate taxes (raising retail prices) and taxes on the rich.

 

Neither party is innocent.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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TheRealMafoo on 17 September 2008

By the way, a little background on me.

I am not white, not a Christian, and was born poor. I have a learning disability (I am very dyslexic, and it's why I use the wrong words a lot. Spelling was very hard for me, so I never took the extra effort needed to learn it properly). I now live in a 2,500 square foot home on 14 acres over looking a lake. I drive a Porsche 911 convertible, and have an incredibly loving Girlfriend. I love what I do for a living, and wake up every day excited about life.

I never took a dime of government assistance growing up. I worked my way through collage, and worked 60 hours a week from the age of 23 to about 30 to work my way into where I am now. I was hired at 26K a year, never asked for a raise. I made myself as invaluable to everyone I worked with as I could, and I worked my way up to 120k a year.

Now, here is what I want from my Government....

I live in a 98% white community. Extremely Christian. I date a white woman (I am of Israeli descent). Never, not once, do I feel I could lose my job, my house, my girlfriend, or my life because of who I am. This is not by accident. This is because this country has done everything right to make it this way.

These freedoms people take lightly. They should not be. This is what makes this country the greatest in history. Give me a path to success and let me take the journey down it. I don't expect, or want, a country to provide me with substance off the backs of people born more fortunate. I just want an opportunity to achieve anything I desire.




akuma587 on 17 September 2008
TheRealMafoo said:

 

This is where you and I disagree a great deal. I feel it is our responsibility as a country, and a people, to remove all roadblocks that allow individuals to be successful. In this country, anyone can go to collage, vote, hold any job, live anywhere, and hold any public office.

The color of your skin, and your economic background at birth do not define how far you can go.

Now, we live in a free country, and as a free county, not only do we have the freedoms to succeed, we also have the freedoms to fail. If one makes the choices that leads him or her to failure, as sad as it is, it does not mean it's now the responsibility of the people who made the right choices to take care of you.

Our Declaration of Independence granted us "life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". The key world is pursuit. Happiness is not to be given to us, we need to do what is required to achieve it.

Lol @ spelling.

I'll forgive your oversimplified rendition of "potential" equality in our society because I got a good laugh out of that little error.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

TheRealMafoo on 17 September 2008
steven787 said:

Here are some reasons why neither party supports that.  ("life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" from the Declaration of Independence which is not a legal document in the US anyway)

Life:

Republicans: War and Death Penalty

Democrats: Abortion and Death Penalty

 

Liberty:

Republicans: Disregard for privacy and jurisprudence, supporting censorship in all media.

Democrats: Supporting censorship in some forms of media.

 

"Pursuit of Happiness" (Traditionally property from Locke's work)

Republicans: Devalue your money by spending running huge defecits.  This is why prices shot up and home prices collapsed (when a bank has a loan out and money is worth less, than they lose money because the interest rate is lower than real world inflation)

Democrats: Raise corporate taxes (raising retail prices) and taxes on the rich.

 

Neither party is innocent.

 

I am not a member of either party, I am a Libertarian.



Username2324 on 17 September 2008

I hope you all know that Obama is only the democratic nominee because he is African-American, just like Hillary only had a chance because she was a woman. I don't mean to sound racist or sexist but it's true. This is election isn't even about the politics, Democrats just want the black vote, and the votes from the idiots who say "Oh he's black I will vote for him", and it's not just the Democrats, Palin was only picked up so that the republicans could snag some Hillary supporters and all the feminists out there.

Just think about it, we will either have the first black president or the first female vice president, neither party is concerned with their abilities, they will just do whatever they can to secure more votes.



TheRealMafoo on 17 September 2008
akuma587 said:

Lol @ spelling.

I'll forgive your oversimplified rendition of "potential" equality in our society because I got a good laugh out of that little error.

 

Read my next post, and you will see why. ;)

EDIT: I mean the one at the top of this page, not a post I have yet to write :p