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halogamer1989 on 15 September 2008
Seihyouken said:
Sony really isn't in any hurry to release the PS4. PS3's development costs were monsterous and the system is finally making money so the longer than Sony can milk the PS3, PSP and PS2 to cover the expenses of the PS3's development and the PS4's development then the better for them. Sony also has the advantage of having the most expensive system as well as having the most technologically advanced system. Since the PS3 is so expensive, that gives Sony more oppertunities to cut it's price and stimulate the console's sales. The PS3 being at $399 gives Sony 3 to 4 price-cuts before it even reaches $199. Furthermore, being the most technologically advanced system gives the PS3 more time with which to compete with any 8th generation consoles that arrive before Sony feels fit to release the PS4.

In comparison, Microsoft has a serious desision to make on their future of their console game industry. The original Xbox cost Microsoft billions and the 360 is following suit. Microsoft is learning the hard way that they can't directly compete with Sony outside of America even with a significantly cheaper console and a year headstart. Meanwhile, as they try and fail to overtake Sony, they're losing billions of dollars in the process. Personally, I think Microsoft is going to radically change their game next generation and release a profitable at launch console that may be significantly less technologically advanced as the PS4, like what Nintendo is doing. We're already seeing signs of Microsoft apparantly trying to mimic Nintendo's direction with the bare-bones Arcade model, price-cut and Avatars. I think next generation we'll see a significantly more casual push from Microsoft to try and make back the several billions they lost with the Xbox and will lose with the 360.

Sony is still losing money on the PS3 while MSFT is making at least $79 profit per console as of mid-2007.  Microsoft is also one who like to push the boundaries of tech, esp software so I do not see them going the Nintendo route until they are only a few billion a year revenue company which will never happen.

 



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fkusumot on 15 September 2008
Sky Render said:

Nintendo is the only one amongst them who has any real incentive to skip out on the generation game. As the masters of their Blue Ocean, they have about 8 more years of dominance assured to them even if they don't release a successor to the Wii, thanks to the wonders of the only kind of brand loyalty that counts: pioneer brand loyalty.

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I thought Nintendo already skipped next-generation? No?



I Blame Wii Fit!

Squilliam on 15 September 2008

Its going to be a battle of the visual and human interfaces next generation. But the big question is - who can excite the market and light it on fire and what will it take to do just that?

If they can't bring something uniquely compelling to market they should sit it out until they can. Its pointless just trying to rehash the current generation and theres a big hill to climb and even the Wii is less than half way to the top so its an open race.



Tease.

Seihyouken on 15 September 2008
halogamer1989 said:
Seihyouken said:
Sony really isn't in any hurry to release the PS4. PS3's development costs were monsterous and the system is finally making money so the longer than Sony can milk the PS3, PSP and PS2 to cover the expenses of the PS3's development and the PS4's development then the better for them. Sony also has the advantage of having the most expensive system as well as having the most technologically advanced system. Since the PS3 is so expensive, that gives Sony more oppertunities to cut it's price and stimulate the console's sales. The PS3 being at $399 gives Sony 3 to 4 price-cuts before it even reaches $199. Furthermore, being the most technologically advanced system gives the PS3 more time with which to compete with any 8th generation consoles that arrive before Sony feels fit to release the PS4.

In comparison, Microsoft has a serious desision to make on their future of their console game industry. The original Xbox cost Microsoft billions and the 360 is following suit. Microsoft is learning the hard way that they can't directly compete with Sony outside of America even with a significantly cheaper console and a year headstart. Meanwhile, as they try and fail to overtake Sony, they're losing billions of dollars in the process. Personally, I think Microsoft is going to radically change their game next generation and release a profitable at launch console that may be significantly less technologically advanced as the PS4, like what Nintendo is doing. We're already seeing signs of Microsoft apparantly trying to mimic Nintendo's direction with the bare-bones Arcade model, price-cut and Avatars. I think next generation we'll see a significantly more casual push from Microsoft to try and make back the several billions they lost with the Xbox and will lose with the 360.

Sony is still losing money on the PS3 while MSFT is making at least $79 profit per console as of mid-2007.  Microsoft is also one who like to push the boundaries of tech, esp software so I do not see them going the Nintendo route until they are only a few billion a year revenue company which will never happen.

 

Do you have a source to support that Microsoft made $79 profit per console as of mid-2007 because personally I doubt it. Last quarter Microsoft was in the red with their game/zune/etc. division and unless Zune is costing more money then 360/Games for Windows is making then I seriously question the 360's profitability. Of course the recent price-drops certainly don't help the 360's quest for profitablility either.

Sony is barely still selling PS3s at a loss. The new 80GB are cheaper to manufacture than the old 40GB and those were practically already breaking even back in January. Not that it really matters because any loss currently incured by the PS3's hardware sales are more than made up for with the PS3, PSN, PSP and PS2 software sales as well as PSP and PS2 hardware sales. Last quarter Sony Computer Entertainment made a profit while it was still selling the more expensive PS3s.

Microsoft is an extremely wealthy company. They have the resources with which to spend billions (maybe even tens of billions) of dollars to become a major player in just about any industry. However, absolutely no company, not even the richest in the world, is going to invest billions of dollars into an industry and have no intention of making that money back. Microsoft isn't going to make their billions of dollars back by trying to steal away Sony's demographic while spending billions more doing it. At least, not while in the meantime Nintendo is sitting in their golden mansions laughing at the two from the moment their console launches. Why should Microsoft waste billions of dollars trying to beat Sony when it's been shown to them with the Xbox and the 360 that they can't when they can earn billions of dollars by taking the Nintendo route?



halogamer1989 on 15 September 2008
Seihyouken said:
halogamer1989 said:
Seihyouken said:
Sony really isn't in any hurry to release the PS4. PS3's development costs were monsterous and the system is finally making money so the longer than Sony can milk the PS3, PSP and PS2 to cover the expenses of the PS3's development and the PS4's development then the better for them. Sony also has the advantage of having the most expensive system as well as having the most technologically advanced system. Since the PS3 is so expensive, that gives Sony more oppertunities to cut it's price and stimulate the console's sales. The PS3 being at $399 gives Sony 3 to 4 price-cuts before it even reaches $199. Furthermore, being the most technologically advanced system gives the PS3 more time with which to compete with any 8th generation consoles that arrive before Sony feels fit to release the PS4.

In comparison, Microsoft has a serious desision to make on their future of their console game industry. The original Xbox cost Microsoft billions and the 360 is following suit. Microsoft is learning the hard way that they can't directly compete with Sony outside of America even with a significantly cheaper console and a year headstart. Meanwhile, as they try and fail to overtake Sony, they're losing billions of dollars in the process. Personally, I think Microsoft is going to radically change their game next generation and release a profitable at launch console that may be significantly less technologically advanced as the PS4, like what Nintendo is doing. We're already seeing signs of Microsoft apparantly trying to mimic Nintendo's direction with the bare-bones Arcade model, price-cut and Avatars. I think next generation we'll see a significantly more casual push from Microsoft to try and make back the several billions they lost with the Xbox and will lose with the 360.

Sony is still losing money on the PS3 while MSFT is making at least $79 profit per console as of mid-2007.  Microsoft is also one who like to push the boundaries of tech, esp software so I do not see them going the Nintendo route until they are only a few billion a year revenue company which will never happen.

 

Do you have a source to support that Microsoft made $79 profit per console as of mid-2007 because personally I doubt it. Last quarter Microsoft was in the red with their game/zune/etc. division and unless Zune is costing more money then 360/Games for Windows is making then I seriously question the 360's profitability. Of course the recent price-drops certainly don't help the 360's quest for profitablility either.

Sony is barely still selling PS3s at a loss. The new 80GB are cheaper to manufacture than the old 40GB and those were practically already breaking even back in January. Not that it really matters because any loss currently incured by the PS3's hardware sales are more than made up for with the PS3, PSN, PSP and PS2 software sales as well as PSP and PS2 hardware sales. Last quarter Sony Computer Entertainment made a profit while it was still selling the more expensive PS3s.

Microsoft is an extremely wealthy company. They have the resources with which to spend billions (maybe even tens of billions) of dollars to become a major player in just about any industry. However, absolutely no company, not even the richest in the world, is going to invest billions of dollars into an industry and have no intention of making that money back. Microsoft isn't going to make their billions of dollars back by trying to steal away Sony's demographic while spending billions more doing it. At least, not while in the meantime Nintendo is sitting in their golden mansions laughing at the two from the moment their console launches. Why should Microsoft waste billions of dollars trying to beat Sony when it's been shown to them with the Xbox and the 360 that they can't when they can earn billions of dollars by taking the Nintendo route?

From 2006:

 

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Sky Render on 15 September 2008

I hate to have to keep saying this, but it seems like a lot of people don't believe it's true: the race to improve graphics and horsepower is over. The Wii is "good enough" for the majority (read: those not on the hardcore fringe), and the 360 and PS3 have pushed graphics further than most care about. The only ones clamoring for more power and graphics are the particularly hauteur developers and the particularly discriminatory hardcore gamers.

Also, the processor speed cap was hit several years ago: just a little over 3GHz. Since then, boosts to speed have just been the old gimmick of adding more processors, which is prohibitively expensive (just look at what it did to boost the price of the Cell processor), or making processor use more efficient (a smarter move, and probably why AMD has been kicking Intel's butt since the speed cap was hit in PC processors).

Only poorly run companies opt to spend more when they can make more by spending less. Unless there's some massive breakthrough that obliterates the speed cap and makes multi-core processors unnecessary for speeds above 3GHz, we're not going to see another jump in processing power next generation. And unless the majority of consumers randomly decide that the likes of the HD consoles and Blu-Ray are worth the extra cash for an improvement in visual quality that most of them don't even notice, better graphics are not going to be the name of the game, either.



Sky Render - Sanity is for the weak.

Strategyking92 on 15 September 2008

I think Apple should skip.

4 consoles is too many.



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Liar on 15 September 2008

microsoft and sony should skip the next gen so that they can let nintendo play catch up. the wii has last gen graphics, last gen features, bad outdated online services and the same games over again.



Everstar on 15 September 2008
LOL MATURE said:
MS should sit out and re-evaluate. They seriously didn't do much right last time or this time.

 

I am sorry =(

but hey ill say this i dont think those reasons really hurt microsoft



Proud Owner of  a Wii and Xbox 360 and a PS3(When I get the money)

Sky Render on 15 September 2008

Funny how none of that seems to be impeding the sales of the Wii, huh, Liar? Perhaps because the things you listed don't matter to most consumers?

"Next generation" is dead. Denying that won't bring it back.



Sky Render - Sanity is for the weak.