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Kasz216 on 11 September 2008
Jackson50 said:
Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
I am surprised that Susan Eisenhower was not on the list.

She's not a registered republican anymore.

 

 

She was a Republican until the end of August and she endorsed Obama before she left the party. For all intents and purposes, she is a Republican that supports Obama.

I disagree... I think that'd still make her a former republican that supports Obama.

Just how Joe Liberman wouldn't be counted as a democrat who supports McCain since he's a "Independent Democrat".

Or Tim Penny... who is oddly on the McCain list via his website.

Though it is a rather benign format argument.



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Jackson50 on 11 September 2008
Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
I am surprised that Susan Eisenhower was not on the list.

She's not a registered republican anymore.

 

 

She was a Republican until the end of August and she endorsed Obama before she left the party. For all intents and purposes, she is a Republican that supports Obama.

I disagree... I think that'd still make her a former republican that supports Obama.

Just how Joe Liberman wouldn't be counted as a democrat who supports McCain since he's a "Independent Democrat".

Or Tim Penny... who is oddly on the McCain list via his website.

Though it is a rather benign format argument.

I see what you are saying and I agree that it is an issue of semantics. The difference between her and the two people you mentioned is that she was a registered Republican when she endorsed Obama. In fact, she remained a Republican for six months after endorsing him only leaving the party a few weeks ago. In every practical sense, she is a Republican that endorsed Obama. Also, if the definition is going to be applied so stringently, then Chafee is actually not a Republican that endorsed Obama. He left the party in 2007 and endorsed Obama in Feb. of 08.



Kasz216 on 11 September 2008
Jackson50 said:
Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
I am surprised that Susan Eisenhower was not on the list.

She's not a registered republican anymore.

 

 

She was a Republican until the end of August and she endorsed Obama before she left the party. For all intents and purposes, she is a Republican that supports Obama.

I disagree... I think that'd still make her a former republican that supports Obama.

Just how Joe Liberman wouldn't be counted as a democrat who supports McCain since he's a "Independent Democrat".

Or Tim Penny... who is oddly on the McCain list via his website.

Though it is a rather benign format argument.

I see what you are saying and I agree that it is an issue of semantics. The difference between her and the two people you mentioned is that she was a registered Republican when she endorsed Obama. In fact, she remained a Republican for six months after endorsing him only leaving the party a few weeks ago. In every practical sense, she is a Republican that endorsed Obama. Also, if the definition is going to be applied so stringently, then Chafee is actually not a Republican that endorsed Obama. He left the party in 2007 and endorsed Obama in Feb. of 08.

True... but i mean... i still think that you could say "She was a republican who supported Obama" however you couldn't say "She is a republican who supports Obama."

Despite the support not changing... the republican thing did.

 



Jackson50 on 11 September 2008
Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
I am surprised that Susan Eisenhower was not on the list.

She's not a registered republican anymore.

 

 

She was a Republican until the end of August and she endorsed Obama before she left the party. For all intents and purposes, she is a Republican that supports Obama.

I disagree... I think that'd still make her a former republican that supports Obama.

Just how Joe Liberman wouldn't be counted as a democrat who supports McCain since he's a "Independent Democrat".

Or Tim Penny... who is oddly on the McCain list via his website.

Though it is a rather benign format argument.

I see what you are saying and I agree that it is an issue of semantics. The difference between her and the two people you mentioned is that she was a registered Republican when she endorsed Obama. In fact, she remained a Republican for six months after endorsing him only leaving the party a few weeks ago. In every practical sense, she is a Republican that endorsed Obama. Also, if the definition is going to be applied so stringently, then Chafee is actually not a Republican that endorsed Obama. He left the party in 2007 and endorsed Obama in Feb. of 08.

True... but i mean... i still think that you could say "She was a republican who supported Obama" however you couldn't say "She is a republican who supports Obama."

Despite the support not changing... the republican thing did.

 

Who said people cannot come together to form a consensus? I will agree to "she was a Republican that supported Obama."

 



ManusJustus on 11 September 2008

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steven787 on 11 September 2008

I was only posting Republicans with National Experience (except the Mayor, because it was funny). I could make my list a lot longer if you want.

* Fmr. Congressman John B. Anderson (R-IL).
* Fmr. Congressman Jim Leach (R-IA).
* Fmr. Senator Lincoln Chafee (R-RI).
* Julie Nixon Eisenhower, daughter of former President Richard Nixon
* Susan Eisenhower, granddaughter of Dwight D. Eisenhower and president of the Eisenhower Institute.
* Rita E. Hauser, Former White House intelligence advisor for George W. Bush
* Larry Hunter, Senior Fellow at the Institute for Policy Innovation and Chief Economist for the Free Enterprise Fund, former Reagan policy advisor
* Legal scholar Douglas Kmiec
* Tricia Mosley, former staffer to Senator Strom Thurmond
* Frank Schaeffer, pro-life advocate and the son of evangelist Francis Schaeffer.
* Mayor Lou Thieblemont of Camp Hill, Penn. Thieblemont switched his party registration from Republican to Democrat so that he could vote for Obama in the Pennsylvania primary.
* Fmr. Governor and Senator Lowell Weicker (R-CT).

I'll get more later.



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Impulsivity on 11 September 2008
Kasz216 said:
Impulsivity said:
former aldermen and city clerks? Is that really the best you have Kasz? You might as well say the paperboy and the guy at the grocery story say they're for McCain or something.

He didn't even include several republicans in the senate who said they would be afraid of a McCain presidency because he has a nasty temper and is very impulsive.

A good example is Former senator Bob Smith, a New Hampshire Republican, who expressed worries about McCain: "His temper would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind, it should disqualify him."

There are people who held offices of actual prominence who have gone the other way on this one, a lot of them. McCain would be not only a bad choice but in some ways a dangerous one.

So does Joe Biden count then?  I mean he said Barak Obama wasn't expierenced enough to be president... and said he'd be proud to run with or against McCain.

Or Hillary Clinton?  Who said, Her and McCain had plans for the country and expierence.  While all Obama has is "a nice speach."

The truth is... a larger % of democrats(10%) support McCain then Republicans(7%) do Obama. 

Considering there are more registered democrats then republicans... that's saying a lot.

It the numbers are representative that would mean

3.85 Million repubs support Obama

VS

7.2 million dems supporting McCain.

Which is the more important number.  I wouldn't be surprised if a number of repubs supported Obama do to his plans to vastly increase Bush's "Faith based spending" initative.

You get some interesting math in general if that's representative.

Obama has 3.85 Million Repubs.  + 64.8 Million Dems = 68.65

McCain has  51.15 Repubs and 7.2 Million dems. = 58.35.

They're pulling at about tied.

So independents are basicallybreaking

15.85 Million for Obama

26.15 Million for McCain.

Edit: Of course that's ignoring undecided people.  Though in such a case where the polls or even, it's fair enough to consider the undecideds breaking even.

 

 

    I would bet you anything that a lot of that 10% of democrats are the kinds of democrats in apalacia and the like who said things such as "I don't know if I'd feel safe with a bllllack man as president" TO THE CAMERA when supporting Hillary.  I mean thats powerful racist when you are actually willing to say those things on the record.  Most racists at least know enough to be ashamed these days. 

   Of course I may be underestimating the stupid vote.  By stupid vote I mean people who look at the horrific last 8 years and say "give me more of that!  I want to elect another ticket with a supply sider and a fundamentalist, its gone so well last time!"  I actually think the racist might have a little more common sense, so I hope for their sake its that Obama's black and they're irrational not that they're THAT stupid.  Irrational beliefs can be overcome, stupidity is forever.




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TheRealMafoo on 11 September 2008
Kasz216 said:

The truth is... a larger % of democrats(10%) support McCain then Republicans(7%) do Obama. 

Considering there are more registered democrats then republicans... that's saying a lot.

 

Here is an interesting statistic that a lot of people don't know...

If every Democrat that voted in the last election, had voted for Kerry, and every Republican that voted in the last election had voted for Bush, Kerry would have won.

So in a away, Democrats put Bush in office :p



Jackson50 on 11 September 2008
Kasz216 said:

The truth is... a larger % of democrats(10%) support McCain then Republicans(7%) do Obama. 

Considering there are more registered democrats then republicans... that's saying a lot.

 

This is not all that surprising to me. Only once since 1976 have more Republicans supported the Democratic nominee than Democrats supported the Republican nominee and that was in 1996. There was, however, a tie in 1992.



Kasz216 on 12 September 2008
Impulsivity said:
Kasz216 said:
Impulsivity said:
former aldermen and city clerks? Is that really the best you have Kasz? You might as well say the paperboy and the guy at the grocery story say they're for McCain or something.

He didn't even include several republicans in the senate who said they would be afraid of a McCain presidency because he has a nasty temper and is very impulsive.

A good example is Former senator Bob Smith, a New Hampshire Republican, who expressed worries about McCain: "His temper would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind, it should disqualify him."

There are people who held offices of actual prominence who have gone the other way on this one, a lot of them. McCain would be not only a bad choice but in some ways a dangerous one.

So does Joe Biden count then?  I mean he said Barak Obama wasn't expierenced enough to be president... and said he'd be proud to run with or against McCain.

Or Hillary Clinton?  Who said, Her and McCain had plans for the country and expierence.  While all Obama has is "a nice speach."

The truth is... a larger % of democrats(10%) support McCain then Republicans(7%) do Obama. 

Considering there are more registered democrats then republicans... that's saying a lot.

It the numbers are representative that would mean

3.85 Million repubs support Obama

VS

7.2 million dems supporting McCain.

Which is the more important number.  I wouldn't be surprised if a number of repubs supported Obama do to his plans to vastly increase Bush's "Faith based spending" initative.

You get some interesting math in general if that's representative.

Obama has 3.85 Million Repubs.  + 64.8 Million Dems = 68.65

McCain has  51.15 Repubs and 7.2 Million dems. = 58.35.

They're pulling at about tied.

So independents are basicallybreaking

15.85 Million for Obama

26.15 Million for McCain.

Edit: Of course that's ignoring undecided people.  Though in such a case where the polls or even, it's fair enough to consider the undecideds breaking even.

 

 

    I would bet you anything that a lot of that 10% of democrats are the kinds of democrats in apalacia and the like who said things such as "I don't know if I'd feel safe with a bllllack man as president" TO THE CAMERA when supporting Hillary.  I mean thats powerful racist when you are actually willing to say those things on the record.  Most racists at least know enough to be ashamed these days. 

   Of course I may be underestimating the stupid vote.  By stupid vote I mean people who look at the horrific last 8 years and say "give me more of that!  I want to elect another ticket with a supply sider and a fundamentalist, its gone so well last time!"  I actually think the racist might have a little more common sense, so I hope for their sake its that Obama's black and they're irrational not that they're THAT stupid.  Irrational beliefs can be overcome, stupidity is forever.


I'd think those people would be highly underrepresented in phone pollings... not having phones and not wanting to talk about them.

More likely it's either Union democrats after Obama changed his stance on NAFTA or just in general centrists... McCain generally being in the middle of the repubs.