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superchunk said:
Tispower1 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
superchunk said:
meh, F internal combustion vehicles. Electric FTW!!!!

 

 Except that electricity has got to be generated somehow. I understand that powerstations are far more efficient then cars when it comes to oil usage, but they still (for the most part) depend upon finite resources.

 

Nope. Powerplants aren't that efficient either, but motors are.

And the reason that MPG is used is that the US uses it and us in the UK, measure stuff in Imperial and Metric to confuse ourselves! However, most car companies give a l/km measure aswell, for which a lower value is better.

 

This is to both of you really.

Using 100% of power from your house plugs:

1. Is dramatically more efficient than an combustion engine in terms of distance/fuel. i.e. its pennies on the dollar per mile.
2. It creates far less toxins in our environment. Especially when those companies install the emmision cap equipment to their plants.
3. Your cost for fuel to operate your vehicle is dramatically reduced.

Some differences from fully electric to combustion engines

1. combustion engines have routine maintenance every couple of months where fluids and parts have to be changed. Electric vehicles have on minor inspection a year that would generally require no replaced parts and their are no fluids at all. This saves you a lot of money every year and if looked at for the life of the car would equal thousands in savings.
2. Electric engines are quieter and cleaner. They also have a higher torque, so once large trucks can be replaced you will have small Ford Rangers towing more than current Ford F250's.

@JACKSON50 - No, the Volt is nice but still just a wolf in sheeps clothing. Companies like Tesla are changing that already and by 2010 Tesla and a handfull of other fully electric car companies will have many true replacements for todays cars that will look good, be fully functional, replacements for every class of car.

If you all need more info try http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/how_it_works.php and read the wheel-to-wheel section as well as the environmental benefits sections. On top of that hit their FAQ page. All of the data I provided is backed up here with prime sources and actual mathematical proofs.

Again, fully electric FTW!

 

I agree the Tesla is a fantastic car, apart from the ridiculous price, however, you mention cheaper servicing, I'm guessing the battery won't last for ever, and given the size of the thing, it probably cost more than an entire engine to replace. Plus, electric/hybrid cars take a lot more Co2 to make (if you're worried about that), in fact, it's better for us in the UK, to have a Land Rover, as the emissions getting the car to the customer are a lot less! As the Pruis, for example, as the battery from one place, and engine from another etc, all these parts are shipped to Toyota, where they assemble them, then transport them to the UK. With a Land Rover, most parts are made on the UK, and little transport is needed to get it so somewhere in the UK.



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you poor naive saps....
the market is like this because the government wants it this way. despite all our free market bs, we ensure that things cannot be sold here to undermine our own businesses.
we still have the lowest mpg for any 1st world country. trade restrictions anyone?



I think the major reason small cars aren't marketed in the US is because of the overwhelming obesity problem. Many rotund people I know drive SUVs because they can't fit comfortably in a small car. Its quite sad actually.

 



Tispower1 said:
superchunk said:
Tispower1 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
superchunk said:
meh, F internal combustion vehicles. Electric FTW!!!!

 

 Except that electricity has got to be generated somehow. I understand that powerstations are far more efficient then cars when it comes to oil usage, but they still (for the most part) depend upon finite resources.

 

Nope. Powerplants aren't that efficient either, but motors are.

And the reason that MPG is used is that the US uses it and us in the UK, measure stuff in Imperial and Metric to confuse ourselves! However, most car companies give a l/km measure aswell, for which a lower value is better.

 

This is to both of you really.

Using 100% of power from your house plugs:

1. Is dramatically more efficient than an combustion engine in terms of distance/fuel. i.e. its pennies on the dollar per mile.
2. It creates far less toxins in our environment. Especially when those companies install the emmision cap equipment to their plants.
3. Your cost for fuel to operate your vehicle is dramatically reduced.

Some differences from fully electric to combustion engines

1. combustion engines have routine maintenance every couple of months where fluids and parts have to be changed. Electric vehicles have on minor inspection a year that would generally require no replaced parts and their are no fluids at all. This saves you a lot of money every year and if looked at for the life of the car would equal thousands in savings.
2. Electric engines are quieter and cleaner. They also have a higher torque, so once large trucks can be replaced you will have small Ford Rangers towing more than current Ford F250's.

@JACKSON50 - No, the Volt is nice but still just a wolf in sheeps clothing. Companies like Tesla are changing that already and by 2010 Tesla and a handfull of other fully electric car companies will have many true replacements for todays cars that will look good, be fully functional, replacements for every class of car.

If you all need more info try http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/how_it_works.php and read the wheel-to-wheel section as well as the environmental benefits sections. On top of that hit their FAQ page. All of the data I provided is backed up here with prime sources and actual mathematical proofs.

Again, fully electric FTW!

 

I agree the Tesla is a fantastic car, apart from the ridiculous price, however, you mention cheaper servicing, I'm guessing the battery won't last for ever, and given the size of the thing, it probably cost more than an entire engine to replace. Plus, electric/hybrid cars take a lot more Co2 to make (if you're worried about that), in fact, it's better for us in the UK, to have a Land Rover, as the emissions getting the car to the customer are a lot less! As the Pruis, for example, as the battery from one place, and engine from another etc, all these parts are shipped to Toyota, where they assemble them, then transport them to the UK. With a Land Rover, most parts are made on the UK, and little transport is needed to get it so somewhere in the UK.

1. Tesla Roadster price: Its about right for a high end roadster. It can out perform most other sports cars in the same price range. Plus, even though it is not at full production levels yet, it still has a very large waiting list. So, I think most people with that kind of money disagree with you.

2. Batteries: These batteries are designed to have over 70% of its full capacity after 5 years, which is still quite a lot. Plus, once you figure in mass production and that you *might* have to replace it once during the time you own the vehicle (outside of the 5 yr warranty) I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near the savings you receive due to lower everything else I mentioned in my post above.

 



superchunk said:
Tispower1 said:
superchunk said:

 

This is to both of you really.

Using 100% of power from your house plugs:

1. Is dramatically more efficient than an combustion engine in terms of distance/fuel. i.e. its pennies on the dollar per mile.
2. It creates far less toxins in our environment. Especially when those companies install the emmision cap equipment to their plants.
3. Your cost for fuel to operate your vehicle is dramatically reduced.

Some differences from fully electric to combustion engines

1. combustion engines have routine maintenance every couple of months where fluids and parts have to be changed. Electric vehicles have on minor inspection a year that would generally require no replaced parts and their are no fluids at all. This saves you a lot of money every year and if looked at for the life of the car would equal thousands in savings.
2. Electric engines are quieter and cleaner. They also have a higher torque, so once large trucks can be replaced you will have small Ford Rangers towing more than current Ford F250's.

@JACKSON50 - No, the Volt is nice but still just a wolf in sheeps clothing. Companies like Tesla are changing that already and by 2010 Tesla and a handfull of other fully electric car companies will have many true replacements for todays cars that will look good, be fully functional, replacements for every class of car.

If you all need more info try http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/how_it_works.php and read the wheel-to-wheel section as well as the environmental benefits sections. On top of that hit their FAQ page. All of the data I provided is backed up here with prime sources and actual mathematical proofs.

Again, fully electric FTW!

 

I agree the Tesla is a fantastic car, apart from the ridiculous price, however, you mention cheaper servicing, I'm guessing the battery won't last for ever, and given the size of the thing, it probably cost more than an entire engine to replace. Plus, electric/hybrid cars take a lot more Co2 to make (if you're worried about that), in fact, it's better for us in the UK, to have a Land Rover, as the emissions getting the car to the customer are a lot less! As the Pruis, for example, as the battery from one place, and engine from another etc, all these parts are shipped to Toyota, where they assemble them, then transport them to the UK. With a Land Rover, most parts are made on the UK, and little transport is needed to get it so somewhere in the UK.

1. Tesla Roadster price: Its about right for a high end roadster. It can out perform most other sports cars in the same price range. Plus, even though it is not at full production levels yet, it still has a very large waiting list. So, I think most people with that kind of money disagree with you.

2. Batteries: These batteries are designed to have over 70% of its full capacity after 5 years, which is still quite a lot. Plus, once you figure in mass production and that you *might* have to replace it once during the time you own the vehicle (outside of the 5 yr warranty) I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near the savings you receive due to lower everything else I mentioned in my post above.

 

 

You could easily be right, though I'd want more research into it, given that we're trying to catch up with 2 centuries for the internal combustion engine.



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My gas-powered car died in January or February 2007. I won't own another car until it's fully electric. I plan on never pumping gas again in my life. Man, the other day I met a guy on the bus who said he was spending more on gas than on rent, so he just bought a monthly bus pass. It's getting ridiculous. Increasing MPG is a kind gesture, but it's an uphill battle, and the hill is a brick wall that goes straight up to the moon. Gas is dead. Electric is G-d.



Gnizmo said:
ssj12 said:

I said like since I hav eno idea how many mpg it actually has past its above 40. Ford is doing a smart strategy. Europe has a stronger economy and small cars sell insanely well there so they want Europe to buy enough cars to pay off R&D before selling it in the US market which by that time should have an improved economy. It really isnt stupid in the business world.

 I agree that business wise this makes the most sense. Realistically the people who made this decision have never worked for Ford, and those idiots piss me off. I just don't agree that the other car is a good substitute. American consumers should be smart enough to make the right decision and force Ford to bring the better car here. I get amazingly depressed when I think like that though because I realize the average consumer will never get smart enough to make the right choice even in a situation this simple.

 

Frankly its good that we are getting the smaller cars, heck a new versions of a smaller cars. I think no matter what it is a benefit to the US citizens to get cheaper more fuel-efficient cars so I wont argue.



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