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The_vagabond7 on 10 September 2008
Sam Yikin said:
The_vagabond7 said:
lol, ok bacteria you can see evolve. But most large scale creatures will take too long to have any before and after photos.

 

We do have some amount of fossil evidence.

 

lol, I'm not attacking evolution, I'm an atheist that believes in it. But what I'm talking about is living creatures not dead ones. Ah screw it, I don't even know why I'm talking. Why are we splitting hairs? Somebody post a funny picture that says something in a few words that seems relevant to what's happening in this topic.



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Kasz216 on 10 September 2008

1) I thought Will Wright was an Atheist

2) Good. It used to be nothing but Atheists complaining about the game. I suspect now because the peaceful routes lead to the "Religious" city trait... I guess?

3) Ah... joke sight.  Dang.



Kasz216 on 10 September 2008
The_vagabond7 said:
Avalach21 said:
Lafiel said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Avalach21 said:
Spore makes a joke out of the evolutionary theory, if anything.

Honestly, playing the game made me more skeptical of the theory of evolution. I'm the player, and I have to decide what body parts will help my animal survive, and it makes me wonder how an unconscious... entity... like nature itself... can make decisions like that. It seems far fetched.

Maybe you should read a bit more on the theory of evolution... nature doesn't decide anything :

The strongest members of a species survive in greater number because of x attribute so that attribute is more likely to be passed on to the next generations while the members with useless attribute y don't survive as well so with time this attribute disapears.

 

 

I wouldn't say strongest, but "fittest".

for example in Australia the bigger snakes die, because they can eat the big cane toads, which produce enough poison to kill those snakes, while the smaller ("weaker") ones of the same species only can eat smaller cane toads, which don't have enough poison an hence land snakes in australia are getting smaller - this is a modern example of evolution

Your example isn't evolution... it's survival of the fittest.  Nothing evolved, the bigger snakes die out and the smaller snakes live.  Nothing has evolved.

 

Evolution in process. It takes so long for something to evolve you'll never be able to point at something and say "it's evolving!".

 

 

Also... i believe there is bacteria that you can actually see Evolve because of how quickly it dies off and readjusts.

 



Kasz216 on 10 September 2008
largedarryl said:

@Sam Yikin, I actually think we a fairly large amount of fossil evidence.

I think Spore should have made several changes to the creature editor to make it more "evolution like". Things like the inability to remove body parts that have been added, ability to only add so many spinal bones per change, have the size of older parts limit the ability of newer parts, etc. The only problem with the evolution thing and Spore is that Spore isn't based around the evolution in the first 2 stages of the game (the shortest and easiest 2), but this part of the game could be remade into a new game called SimEvolution.

The entire game is gearing up to the space stage, which is where the fundamentalists should really be tearing into the game. Life on other planets, an actual omnipotent being you can actually talk to, etc. These are the aspects of the game that really slash into the Christian fundamentalist views.


In Sim Life your creatueres evolved... or was that Sim Earth.  Either way... you set a genetic mutation rate... and they'd randomly mutate and the fit would leave, unfit would die out... and your species would evolve. 

Was pretty awesome.  Though to be fair... the technology at the time did not allow you to actually SEE Your character change... you just saw them change "on paper" they got faster, etc.

Sim Life ruled.  I'd be all for a remake of that with procedural animation and an easier "custom character" creator etc.



Blacksaber on 10 September 2008

...Now I want evolution to happen just like pokemon now >_>



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dude17761991hatp on 10 September 2008

I just want it so much more now.



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The_vagabond7 on 10 September 2008

Sim earth was incredible. I played the bejesus out of that as a kid. I didn't even understand half of what the hell I was doing, I just knew i was doing science and it was good. In sim earth you could adjust mutations rate of living organisms among other things, but the degree of adjusting the minutia of your planet was crazy and frikkin hard. You could adjust things such as axis tilt, core tempature, continental drift, Co2 levels, and a ton of other things. It's probably insanely hard to actually play, I dunno because I usually just got a pre-made planet and messed around with stuff to see what would happen, and then bombard the planet with meteors. Freakin awesome game. I need to go find that on an abandonware site, I've seen it on one before...



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largedarryl on 10 September 2008
The_vagabond7 said:
Sim earth was incredible. I played the bejesus out of that as a kid. I didn't even understand half of what the hell I was doing, I just knew i was doing science and it was good. In sim earth you could adjust mutations rate of living organisms among other things, but the degree of adjusting the minutia of your planet was crazy and frikkin hard. You could adjust things such as axis tilt, core tempature, continental drift, Co2 levels, and a ton of other things. It's probably insanely hard to actually play, I dunno because I usually just got a pre-made planet and messed around with stuff to see what would happen, and then bombard the planet with meteors. Freakin awesome game. I need to go find that on an abandonware site, I've seen it on one before...

I played Sim Earth about 6 months ago, but you will need a program like DOSbox to play it.

 

I would love to see a revival of the Sime Earth or Sim Life games and combined with the Spore gaming engine.  That would be one awesome game.  There were so many challenges in Sim Earth that are nearly impossible to get, but the game is still amazingly fun for being such a dated game.

 



11ht11 on 10 September 2008

the site made me laugh



Sam Yikin on 10 September 2008
Gnizmo said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Avalach21 said:
Spore makes a joke out of the evolutionary theory, if anything.

Honestly, playing the game made me more skeptical of the theory of evolution. I'm the player, and I have to decide what body parts will help my animal survive, and it makes me wonder how an unconscious... entity... like nature itself... can make decisions like that. It seems far fetched.

Maybe you should read a bit more on the theory of evolution... nature doesn't decide anything :

The strongest members of a species survive in greater number because of x attribute so that attribute is more likely to be passed on to the next generations while the members with useless attribute y don't survive as well so with time this attribute disapears.

 

 Survival of the fittest is absolutely incorrect. If there were a human who was born with a complete immunity to diseases but was sterile he would not help advance the species despite being the fittest. It is reproduction of the reproducers. It is more influenced by who can get the most pregnant than any other factor.

EDIT: Sorry, I misread your post (before this post). The strongest members of the species ARE the most likely to reproduce. The less genetically fit ones die before they reproduce or can never attract a mate. For example, look at peacocks. A number of scientists believe they have such magnificent tail feathers because the females are more attracted to the males with bigger/more feathers (or something like that.)

Eventually it all does come down to who reproduces but keep in mind that natural selection plays a huge part in that as well.