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Kasz216 on 08 September 2008
NJ5 said:
Timmah! said:
tombi123 said:
Palin's politics are a joke. She is insane. If McCain died in office and Palin became president, don't expect any support from Europe.

Lets hope for the sake of the World that Obama wins the election.

 

I don't think we're that concerned with what you blokes in the UK think of our candidate. We generally try to choose what's best for America. Thanks for the well reasoned argument, calling someone insane with no basis is just brilliant.

Insane is a loaded word, but there are many reasons why Palin is not viewed well in many European countries (and perhaps other Western countries as well).

Here are two:

1- She has tried to apply censorship (this alone would be enough to mark her as too fascist to govern in this day and age).

2- She would force raped women to give birth (even in incest cases).

Viewed specifically, these things are bad enough by themselves, but what worries me more is the thought process behind them. Insane? Maybe not. Completely backwards in a dangerous way? Yes!

PS: The term "insane" is entirely appropriate if she really did take a flight after her waters broke before giving birth to a premature baby with Down Syndrome.

 

1.  Wait... why would Europe have a problem with this?  Europe has more issues with censorship then the US.

2. is not insane.  Infact it's the most logical "Pro-Life" arguement there is.

If you believe that a fetus is a human person, there should be no cases outside of physical health that should allow someone to abort the fetus.  Even in something as horrible as rape.

 



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Kasz216 on 08 September 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Every poll ever only calls landlines, because it's illegal for them to call your smellular and use your minutes.

So that gives them a lean towards old people who don't have cell phones.

Since Obama has the youth vote in a death grip, that means the polls are slightly biased against Obama.

Despite this, McCain's bounce was fucking huge.

Now the real campaign begins and we get some debates. I'M PUMPED.

The youth vote?

Anyone who builds a vote on the young end up disapointed.  If Obama wins it won't be because of the Youth.   Most of my friends i know who even love politics don't vote.

They always forget it.  Some minor inconvience makes it too much trouble, or there high.

I'm like... the only guy i know my age that votes consistantly.

Seriously, voting in general leans towards older people.

Young people never seem to ever care.  I mean.  They always have strong opinions, but never come through.  Kinda pisses me off honestly.

 

 

I don't think Obama is building his campaign entirely on the youth vote.  But I think the youth vote will break records yet again.

Also, just about everybody I know my age is voting.  A couple were assholes, one friend said he didn't want to register because then he'd have to do jury duty.  But then they got him anyway through the DMV, so he registered.  And he's voted every time since.

But yeah, overall young people are assholes when it comes to voting.

 

I'm not saying he is.  I still say he wins the election.  Just that the youth vote itself has flaws in polling.

As for your friends.... but will they.  Everyone I knew my age was voting as well last election.  Super involved, hated bush more then anything.  Only person to vote for Kerry that year? 

Me. Well and my girlfriend.  Everyone else either forgot, or just didn't find the time.



Timmah! on 08 September 2008
akuma587 said:

Surprise, surprise. Last night I said that the USA Today/Gallup poll is usually way off from other polls. So here is the average of every other poll taken during the same timeframe:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

McCain +1.5

CNN 09/05 - 09/07 942 RV 48 48 Tie
Rasmussen Tracking 09/05 - 09/07 3000 LV 48 47 McCain +1
Hotline/FD Tracking 09/05 - 09/07 924 RV 44 44 Tie
Gallup Tracking 09/05 - 09/07 2733 RV 49 44 McCain +5

 

Well, the first poll was pretty far off then. There's still a pretty significant bounce, though. And an update, the RCP average is now showing McCain up by 3.0%. It's been a while since that happened.



NJ5 on 08 September 2008
Kasz216 said:

1.  Wait... why would Europe have a problem with this?  Europe has more issues with censorship then the US.

2. is not insane.  Infact it's the most logical "Pro-Life" arguement there is.

If you believe that a fetus is a human person, there should be no cases outside of physical health that should allow someone to abort the fetus.  Even in something as horrible as rape.

 

1- Really? Give me the name of a well-regarded modern European politician who tried to ban books.

2- I believe killing a fetus is no problem as long as it happens before it's self aware (self-awareness requires a formed brain, a lump of cells is not self-aware without a brain).

 



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Kasz216 on 08 September 2008
NJ5 said:
Kasz216 said:

1.  Wait... why would Europe have a problem with this?  Europe has more issues with censorship then the US.

2. is not insane.  Infact it's the most logical "Pro-Life" arguement there is.

If you believe that a fetus is a human person, there should be no cases outside of physical health that should allow someone to abort the fetus.  Even in something as horrible as rape.

 

1- Really? Give me the name of a well-regarded modern European politician who tried to ban books.

2- I believe killing a fetus is no problem as long as it happens before it's self aware (self-awareness requires a formed brain, a lump of cells is not self-aware without a brain).

 

1- Books?  Couldn't say, but i can tell you censorship is worse in the UK by just looking at the videogames threatening banning in Europe.

Although i'd say the The Racial and Religious Hatred Act crosses the line a bit if it came to books.

Along with it being illegal to publish leaked documents from individual members of the government.

In Germany it would be illegal to publish a holocaust denial book.  As ignorant as it is... you could publish a holocaust denial book in the US.

Aside from which... any "book banning" legislature would have to go through the congress... and if it passed it'd be instantly struck down by the Supreme Court for violating the first ammendment.

So if they wanted to ban any book they'd have to pass it through congress, senate, and get a 2/3rds majority of the states to agree to it.  Not too likely.

2- Yeah, i agree.  Though calling someone calling someone insane for having the opposite feeling seems a bit much since abortion really doesn't seem like a cut and dry issue.  To me the people in the middle are the insane ones, since they see

 



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Timmah! on 08 September 2008
NJ5 said:
Kasz216 said:

1.  Wait... why would Europe have a problem with this?  Europe has more issues with censorship then the US.

2. is not insane.  Infact it's the most logical "Pro-Life" arguement there is.

If you believe that a fetus is a human person, there should be no cases outside of physical health that should allow someone to abort the fetus.  Even in something as horrible as rape.

 

1- Really? Give me the name of a well-regarded modern European politician who tried to ban books.

2- I believe killing a fetus is no problem as long as it happens before it's self aware (self-awareness requires a formed brain, a lump of cells is not self-aware without a brain).

 

The Europeans have a very nasty habit of banning games, those same games make it into the US without as much problem, but of course, we're the ones that are 'for censorship'. There is also not as much freedom of information, or freedom of the press on that side of the pond as we have here. There's no way Palin would work to ban books here in the US, that would be political suicide; she & the McCain white house would be way too smart to do that.

I'm not self-aware when I'm sleeping, are you going to kill me?? I kid, I kid, that would be a stupid argument.

The argument comes down to the sanctity of human life. If you don't believe that every life is important, regardless of it's stage, than you will most likely support abortion (by the way, mid to late-term abortions are still legal, and that happens when the baby is very 'self-aware' and can feel pain). If one believes that every life is valuable, regardless of what stage it is at, the argument is really a no-brainer.

I've heard people say that it's ok to take a brain dead person off life support, killing them, so it should be ok to kill a baby before it has brainwaves (brainwaves start very early, though, so this would greatly limit abortion). The problem with this is, a patient who is brain dead has no chance of recovery, and that is why they can be pulled off life support legally. A baby does not fall into this catagory, because they will certainly develop conciousness and brainwaves quickly. This clearly separates them from the 'taking a vegetable off life support' argument.

Abortion is currently legal at mid-late stages of development when the brain is active, the baby is moving, sucking his/her thumb, shows emotion, feels & reacts to pain, and even dreams. Do you really support this? Most abortion supporters do not realize what they are supporting. Go to google images and look up 'abortion pictures' with safe search turned off.



The Ghost of RubangB on 08 September 2008

I'm pro-choice and anti-death penalty, and I just want to say that anybody who's pro-life but supports the death penalty should be executed.



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akuma587 on 08 September 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I'm pro-choice and anti-death penalty, and I just want to say that anybody who's pro-life but supports the death penalty should be executed.

Hey now, life is only valuable when it supports your political agenda.

 



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Timmah! on 08 September 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I'm pro-choice and anti-death penalty, and I just want to say that anybody who's pro-life but supports the death penalty should be executed.

Kill innocent babies, and spare guilty murderers? Are you really that twisted and backwards?

I don't see any logic at all behind your stance.

 



The Ghost of RubangB on 08 September 2008

Are you just saying that, or are you mad because you're pro-life but pro-death at the same time?

And I didn't say "set guilty murderers free to run naked in the streets with chainsaws." I said "I'm anti-death penalty." Huge difference.



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