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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/04/rnc.analysis.wednesday/index.html

This is fairly in-line with what I thought about last night's spectacle.

ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- For the second consecutive night, a lot of the rhetoric at the Republican convention Wednesday evening seemed left over from the last cycle when the fight against terrorism dominated the race.

Sarah Palin ripped Barack Obama and said she's ready for the "challenge of a tough fight."

The biggest voter concern and the theme of the evening was the economy. But did it top the agenda Wednesday night? No. The policy prescriptions were minimal; the party-issued signs proclaiming "prosperity" made for a jarring sight.

The language and terror focus were left over from 2004. The evening's tone was vintage 1992, with just a hint of culture war.

Surveys suggest Democrats hold the advantage on the dominant issue this year, so Republicans looked to redirect the anger with base-pleasing swipes at the media and liberal elites.

Former primary season rivals Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani set the evening's tone with sarcastic broadsides that brought the crowd to life. Sarah Palin followed suit, her scorn layered under a sunny smile and small-town demeanor.

After a week of enduring tough headlines and dodging the spotlight, the Alaska governor re-emerged and delivered a speech that thrilled the crowd. Palin also proved she inherited President Bush's gift for sprinkling speeches with Biblical references -- like her claim of a "servant's heart" -- that won't register with much of the population, but resonate deeply with evangelicals.

Her adoption of the evening's bitter tone may have fallen a bit flat. A focus group of white married women who watched the speech didn't care for her sarcasm. 

But these same voters found her impressive and authentic. They wanted to know more about her personally. And McCain senior adviser Carly Fiorina, who has been at the forefront of outreach efforts to former Hillary Clinton voters, can claim some success. More than one woman in the focus group said Palin reminded them of the New York senator. 

The top targets of the night were Barack and Michelle Obama, the news media, and the Democratic Congress. The party's "outsider" language might have struck a dissonant chord. This is, after all, the party that has controlled the White House for the past eight years and Congress for 12 of the past 14.

But despite that, the GOP seemed to struggle with its identity.

Thus far, praise of Bill Clinton, a VP family connection to the Steelworkers Union, and attacks on Wall Street have all drawn cheers. President Bush's appearance was barely longer than a commercial break -- beyond that, his name has been mentioned in prime time fewer than half a dozen times.

And on the night the party nominated its vice presidential hopeful, the man who currently holds the job didn't rate a reference.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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Yeah the war isn't the issue anymore. Apparently McCain has a 55 page file explaining his entire platform, and the Iraq War is mentioned in a single paragraph. This isn't the "Iraq 9/11 Iraq 9/11" strategy of 2004. Well... for Giuliani it is. It always is.



Palin's speech was really underwhelming -- she spent a lot of it talking about her family which is truly irrelevant and her excessive jabs against Obama seemed pretty pathetic and desperate. Most American's don't live in small towns -- they live in cities and suburbs so I don't think pushing this big cultural war between rural and urban America benefits them in any way. Her speech won't win any converts.. it was just red meat thrown out there for conservatives.



More then half of Voting Americans believe that the Media is being unfair to Sarah Palin.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20080904/pl_rasmussen/palinmedia20080904



damkira said:
Palin's speech was really underwhelming -- she spent a lot of it talking about her family which is truly irrelevant and her excessive jabs against Obama seemed pretty pathetic and desperate. Most American's don't live in small towns -- they live in cities and suburbs so I don't think pushing this big cultural war between rural and urban America benefits them in any way. Her speech won't win any converts.. it was just red meat thrown out there for conservatives.

To be fair both conventions are taking jabs at each other and that is making up the bulk of the speeches and whatnot. Both sides are extremely guilty of it not just one.

 



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Tigawoods said:
damkira said:
Palin's speech was really underwhelming -- she spent a lot of it talking about her family which is truly irrelevant and her excessive jabs against Obama seemed pretty pathetic and desperate. Most American's don't live in small towns -- they live in cities and suburbs so I don't think pushing this big cultural war between rural and urban America benefits them in any way. Her speech won't win any converts.. it was just red meat thrown out there for conservatives.

To be fair both conventions are taking jabs at each other and that is making up the bulk of the speeches and whatnot. Both sides are extremely guilty of it not just one.

 

 

A lot of people don't realize that (for the most part) few independent voters actually watch all or most of both conventions, and the people who make up the majority of the audience are the (more) dedicated members of either party. The reason that both parties focus so heavily on one-liners is that they're more likely to get seen on the news the next day (which targets the independant voter) and the (more) dedicated members of their party really (REALLY) like them.



When Obama attacks his opponents' positions, he doesn't make up bullshit. Palin lied through her teeth several times. And he actually explains why he believes his strategies are better. Palin just said "Obama will raise every tax ever (huge lie) and I'm a hockey mom!" I know both parties fight dirty, but I don't think Obama and Biden are fighting as dirty as Palin did last night.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
When Obama attacks his opponents' positions, he doesn't make up bullshit. Palin lied through her teeth several times. And he actually explains why he believes his strategies are better. Palin just said "Obama will raise every tax ever (huge lie) and I'm a hockey mom!" I know both parties fight dirty, but I don't think Obama and Biden are fighting as dirty as Palin did last night.

 

You need to come to a new definition of "lie" ... The Tax Policy Center claims that Obama plans on increasing taxes by $627 Billion over 10 years; and Obama's plan includes increases in multiple taxes to achieve this goal.

Is it as awful as the Republican's will portray? No, but it is no more misleading than anything the Democrats say about the Republican's policies.



HappySqurriel said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
When Obama attacks his opponents' positions, he doesn't make up bullshit. Palin lied through her teeth several times. And he actually explains why he believes his strategies are better. Palin just said "Obama will raise every tax ever (huge lie) and I'm a hockey mom!" I know both parties fight dirty, but I don't think Obama and Biden are fighting as dirty as Palin did last night.

 

You need to come to a new definition of "lie" ... The Tax Policy Center claims that Obama plans on increasing taxes by $627 Billion over 10 years; and Obama's plan includes increases in multiple taxes to achieve this goal.

Is it as awful as the Republican's will portray? No, but it is no more misleading than anything the Democrats say about the Republican's policies.

Obama has been very upfront that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts.  I don't know how you can say he is lying about it when he brings it up just about every speech.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Okay, I'll bite...

This is the same woman that Larry King had on for the post speech counter or whatever. They were all self proclaimed democrats.

It would kinda be like if Carl Rove was made the expert on Obama's speeches.

And yes her family is relavant. She wants to make herself look more normal or non-elitest (something that Obama is struggling with)

I also thought it was funny that people were questioning whether or not her kids should have been on stage... pretty sure Obama's little girls were on stage.

It was a great speech. The dems are reeling. I LOLed when the reporter read the Obama response to the speech. He said "this is the same responce we have been hearing, maybe if we give them more time they can do better"

She also took the teeth out of the Obama campaigns Experiance thing. She basically showed the public that Obama is saying she would not be qualified for pres, but he has even less than she does. Also since when does the VP lay out the policy? She talk about domestic issues, and such. But I think it would have been stupid to have her talk about Foriegn policy issue. Also when it came to Iraq she did not talk about anything but victory... she was just pointing out what pussies the Dems have been on the Issue.



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