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Really Bigjon you have an issue with Palin porn. You may be the first gay republican(not that I have anything against gays) then becuase she is a smoking hot biddy no matter where she stands politically.

I say screw the white house and go straight to the Playboy Mansion, do not pass go, do not colect $200 in a g string.



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Three thoughts going into this thread:

1. Bigjon, stop insulting other members. You are condescending and I even warned you not to. This is getting ridiculous and you're heading towards a ban.

2. Political threads have become so boring. These threads are like a Mario game. We have the same two people fighting EVERY SINGLE TIME, and a bunch of side characters to give their witty little quips. It's so repetitive, and now my favorite section of the forums is ruined. Palin can go to hell for ruining Off Topic.

3. We need more Stof posts in these sorts of threads.

Also, McCain/Palin supporters need to stop saying "pork barrel." It sounds fucking stupid.



 

 

marciosmg said:
steven787 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Oh, and I went to Obama's site, and read a few things. Not a real fan. Here is one thing that down right scars me:

Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

What does that mean? If you don't cover your kids, you go to jail? Get fined? What? Why does the government get to make that choice? Scary.

 

Read above it:

Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:

    1. Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
    2. Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
    3. Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
    4. Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
    5. Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
    6. Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
    7. Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
    8. Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.
  • National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
  • Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement, and will receive a new Small Business Health Tax Credit that helps reduce health care costs for small businesses.
  • Support for Small Businesses: Barack Obama will create a Small Business Health Tax Credit to provide small businesses with a refundable tax credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees. This new credit will provide a strong incentive to small businesses to offer high quality health care to their workers and help improve the competitiveness of America’s small businesses.

Assuming that children probably can't buy health insurance, I'm guessing it would work like free meals at schools.

 

Sorry for my lack of information on this. I´m not american. I read the plan, but it doesn´t say how he plans to pay for it. Is that specified somewhere?

EDIT - Actually he says that emplyers will contribute to the plan. But that won´t be enough, right? What elese will he use? And I´m guessing, companies aren´t going to be too pleased.

Here in my country companies pay an obscene amount of taxes to the government, so if he did that here, everybody would have health insurance, but nobody would have jobs (cause no company would be able to afford it). So you would die of starvation instead of some disease

Sorry to be quoting myself but I really wanna know if he has shown how is he going to do that.

 



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marciosmg said:

Sorry to be quoting myself but I really wanna know if he has shown how is he going to do that.

 

 

Stopping the Iraq war.  Direct cost are now over 615 billion dollars, secondary effects of the war are estimated to have cost the U.S. 2-3 trillion dollars.

That would have paid for basic health care for every American from 2003-today and every Iraqi, too.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

steven787 said:
marciosmg said:
 

Sorry to be quoting myself but I really wanna know if he has shown how is he going to do that.

 

 

Stopping the Iraq war.  Direct cost are now over 615 billion dollars, secondary effects of the war are estimated to have cost the U.S. 2-3 trillion dollars.

That would have paid for health care for every American from 2003-today and every Iraqi, too.

 

If the American GDP is $13.86 Trillion and Healtcare represents 16% of GDP, that means Americans have spent $11 Trillion on healtcare since 2003 ... Far more than either the $615 Billion or 2 to 3 trillion you claim the war cost.



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MontanaHatchet said:

Three thoughts going into this thread:

1. Bigjon, stop insulting other members. You are condescending and I even warned you not to. This is getting ridiculous and you're heading towards a ban.

2. Political threads have become so boring. These threads are like a Mario game. We have the same two people fighting EVERY SINGLE TIME, and a bunch of side characters to give their witty little quips. It's so repetitive, and now my favorite section of the forums is ruined. Palin can go to hell for ruining Off Topic.

3. We need more Stof posts in these sorts of threads.

Also, McCain/Palin supporters need to stop saying "pork barrel." It sounds fucking stupid.

aww shucks. Thanks Hatchet. 

 

But I'm afraid that my Rapier sharp wit will be directed to politics a bit closer to home for the next little while. The Orange Revolution needs all the help it can get!

 



I'm a mod, come to me if there's mod'n to do. 

Chrizum is the best thing to happen to the internet, Period.

Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!

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MontanaHatchet said:

Three thoughts going into this thread:

1. Bigjon, stop insulting other members. You are condescending and I even warned you not to. This is getting ridiculous and you're heading towards a ban.

2. Political threads have become so boring. These threads are like a Mario game. We have the same two people fighting EVERY SINGLE TIME, and a bunch of side characters to give their witty little quips. It's so repetitive, and now my favorite section of the forums is ruined. Palin can go to hell for ruining Off Topic.

3. We need more Stof posts in these sorts of threads.

Also, McCain/Palin supporters need to stop saying "pork barrel." It sounds fucking stupid.

I hate to break it to you man, but I was VERY nice to people in this thread. I gave someone who did not agree with me kudos for a good post. Right, the only person that did any attacking was stof (although it was in a tongue in cheek way). I responded to him and him only. The rest was discussion I made no personal attacks so stop creating them.

I am sure if I can take anything you say to me seriously. Heck anyone that thinks they can judge a person by there Avatar must have a bad perspective. You are looking for me to do things "wrong". I was happy that SP gave a great speech when many people were expecting her to fall flat on her face. Everything I said in the OP was true, she gave a great speech and she (in nicer terms) told Obama to F himself. Stof's sarcasm was unprovoked, and as a mod he was just trying to wreck a thread. Also, I would have PMed you, but you did not have that courtesy.
Smile a bit. It might help keep you from being so pissed off at the world.

Also to the poster who was unsure what I meant by path- It was just a bad way to explain what I meant. I do believe Jesus is the only way to heaven. I prefer not to discus this on Message boards because no body really listens or respects what you believe. They just call you a bigot and what have you for think you are right, which means you are saying someone else is wrong (can you imagine....)

 

 



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HappySqurriel said:
steven787 said:
marciosmg said:

Sorry to be quoting myself but I really wanna know if he has shown how is he going to do that.

 

 

Stopping the Iraq war.  Direct cost are now over 615 billion dollars, secondary effects of the war are estimated to have cost the U.S. 2-3 trillion dollars.

That would have paid for health care for every American from 2003-today and every Iraqi, too.

 

If the American GDP is $13.86 Trillion and Healtcare represents 16% of GDP, that means Americans have spent $11 Trillion on healtcare since 2003 ... Far more than either the $615 Billion or 2 to 3 trillion you claim the war cost.

 

Sorry I didn't word that clearly.

Basic health care (clinics, normal care, etc.) for the 15+-% uninsured Americans.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Hey Bigjon, glad to see you back online, care to answer that question about Obama and religion I asked you before?



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

steven787 said:
steven787 said:
bigjon said:
superchunk said:
Didn't see her oral presentation, but, I think she is a religious coot and can't wait to see her stay Gov. of Alaska in 2009.

 

 her religion and guns statement was targeted at people like you.

Besides Obama believes in something, he aligns himself with SOMETHING.. Whether is be Humanism, Islam, whatever you have to believe something. The fact he hides it seems more worrysome to me that someone being open about their beliefs. Unless she does something to inhibet others religous freedoms I do not see why you should be such a hater about it.



"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful." (Barack Obama Christianity Today, January 2008)

Criticizing someones beliefs is one thing, but attempting to mislead people is another.  I criticized Sarah Palins beliefs and how they fit in with American governing, because she said the War was a task from god. 

What exactly are you trying to imply?

 

Bigjon? Where'd you go, I was looking forward to your answer.

How is she misleading people?

The she has her own beliefs based on the Bible. The Bible says murder is wrong, she is against abortion. The Bible says Homosexuality is wrong- she is against Gay Marriage. For me someone who says they believe the Bible but is Pro things that are against it. You really cannot totally believe the Bible and be a liberal. I mean seriously look at alot of things the Bible says... It goes COMPLETELY against humanistic philosophy. Now, some people pick and choose what they want to believe in the Bible and can alter the Bibles interpretation (sometime people "modernize" it), but they really do not believe the Bible. Also, when it comes to right wingers, I think peoples big problem with them is not what they believe it is their lack of compassion about what they believe.

 



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut