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The Ghost of RubangB on 04 September 2008
bigjon said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
The first half of the speech was...pointless? I didn't really hear that much at all that meant a thing...I have a son in Iraq, I love my family, my candidate is better than the other candidate, and that is about it. Maybe the second half is better.

The first part is her trying to let the people know who she is. The second part is what she has done in office, and the last half is her talking shit about Obama (and pumping up McCain)

She does a good job at being the attack dog. I do love one line she says:

"Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election: In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers, and then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change"

I love that line, because all I ever hear from Obama is "we need change", but he never tells you what kind of change he is for. He has no platform, other then to say he is different. He response to the speech was this:

"If Gov. Palin and John McCain want to define 'change' as voting with George Bush 90 percent of the time, that's their choice, but we don't think the American people are ready to take a 10 percent chance on change"

Same "Vote for change" bullshit.

I'm afraid you're buying into their rhetoric.  Do you honestly believe a man with no platform could take down a Clinton?  It's really easy to find Obama's platform if you actually care.  He has a web site.  I go to both candidates' web sites every election.  Even if you've already made up your mind, it's good to know your enemey.  Obama also talks about his ideas a lot.  If you're going to reduce Obama's entire platform to "change' I can just as easily reduce McCain's entire platform to "tits."

 

 umm... I hate to tell you this but Hilary was not an amazing pres can. There are tons of people that just don't like her, whether it be her crazy healthcare plan or the fact she acts like a bitch. I am MUCH more supportive of Obama for instance. I think McCain will make a great pres, but if Obama becomes pres I will take it.... ok. (but I will have my fingers crossed he is not as much of a pussy on foriegn policy as it would seem.)

Also, I find it humorous that now all the Obama supporters are claiming "all rhetoric no substance"  kinda ironic if you ask me.

I didn't know I said "all rhetoric no substance."  I also didn't know I was all the Obama supporters.

I also don't see the irony.  My whole point was that we should go to both candidates' web sites.  They both have plans.  Claiming either candidate has no platform is seriously ALL RHETORIC NO SUBSTANCE.  They list their issues.  Read them.  Argue them.  Don't pretend they're not there.  That's Giuliani's job.

Regarding Hillary, she put up a damn good fight.  We'll see if McCain and Obama are as close as Hillary and Obama.  That's gonna be hilarious.



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Coca-Cola on 04 September 2008
akuma587 said:
The speech was alright. I give it a 6 or a 7 out of 10. It lacked real substance, and the only thing addressed that well was energy and to some degree the Iraq War.

Its pretty ridiculous to me that Palin acts like she is in a position to criticize someone else for lack of experience. I really dislike the Republicans' tendency to resort to fear politics. It takes the focus off the issues and just deteriorates into negative politics. She did have some good jabs at Obama about his record in the Senate.

The speech made it clear to me why I have never felt any connection whatsoever to the Republican party. I just don't believe in anything they represent except some of their energy policies. They gave up their advantage on economic issues quite a few years ago, so that is no longer an issue. McCain might get the party back on track in that respect.

The Republicans always get onto Obama for giving good speeches, but they could definitely learn a thing or two from him. I am more convinced than ever he is what the country needs right now rather than the what the Republicans have to offer after hearing Palin's speech.

But at least I won't slip into major depression if McCain gets elected vs. Bush getting another term. McCain at least won't dig the country into a deeper hole we are already in.

I missed the speech - I'm reading it on and off now.

I'm guessing the speech was really good for you to give it a 7.

wonder if it's on youtube.

 



Coca-Cola on 04 September 2008

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_76

AP says she did a great job.
we'll wait for the survey.



The Ghost of RubangB on 04 September 2008

The whole video was up at the Huffington Post in one video, and I think it was on YubeTube split into 5 parts. It should be everywhere by now. You can read the whole transcript online too.



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steven787 on 04 September 2008
steven787 said:
bigjon said:
superchunk said:
Didn't see her oral presentation, but, I think she is a religious coot and can't wait to see her stay Gov. of Alaska in 2009.

 

 her religion and guns statement was targeted at people like you.

Besides Obama believes in something, he aligns himself with SOMETHING.. Whether is be Humanism, Islam, whatever you have to believe something. The fact he hides it seems more worrysome to me that someone being open about their beliefs. Unless she does something to inhibet others religous freedoms I do not see why you should be such a hater about it.



"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful." (Barack Obama Christianity Today, January 2008)

Criticizing someones beliefs is one thing, but attempting to mislead people is another.  I criticized Sarah Palins beliefs and how they fit in with American governing, because she said the War was a task from god. 

What exactly are you trying to imply?

 

Bigjon? Where'd you go, I was looking forward to your answer.



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TheRealMafoo on 04 September 2008
steven787 said:

Edit: at theRealMafoo:

No, you will not go to jail if you can't afford it; it will be paid for by subsidies.  If you can afford health insurance, then you already have it - even the very wealthy except maybe the top .01% need health insurance when it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars if you get sick.

If you're trying to say something say it directly.  If you have a belief speak out, you're not doing your cause favors by taking a round about jab at the issue.

 

I have said it directly. Where in the constitution, or bill of rights, does it say I have the right to heath insurance? Where does it say the government as a right to force it upon my family?

Let's say I make 35K a year, enough so the government is not going to pay me. Let's say the only car I will allow my kids to ride in is mine, and my car insurance will cover any accident. I take them every 6 months to get physicals, and pay for it out of my pocket.

What if insurance for my kids cost 6k a year? (it's posable), and I feel that 6k can go to better options for there future. I could hire tutors, or send them to collage. I could feed them healthier food, and practice preventative medicine.

In most cases (possibly all), Heath insurance I feel is the right choice, but I feel it should be a choice, not dictated to me by my government.

I feel the same way about the seatbelt law. While it's always the right choice to ware one, there is no constitutional bases for the government to require me to do so.

EDIT: The cost of heath insurance is not even the problem. It's the cost of heath care. "Fixing" the problem by giving everyone insurance is not taking care of the real issue. Healthcare should cost 1/10th of what it costs today. 



akuma587 on 04 September 2008
rocketpig said:
Akuma, I love ya, but it's hard to take anyone seriously when they've been rocking a candidate in their sig for months.

It's cool, I'm upfront with my biases.  I try to act rationally and listen to people who don't agree with me.  I don't take it personally either when people disagree as long as what they have to say is constructive.

 



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marciosmg on 04 September 2008
steven787 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Oh, and I went to Obama's site, and read a few things. Not a real fan. Here is one thing that down right scars me:

Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

What does that mean? If you don't cover your kids, you go to jail? Get fined? What? Why does the government get to make that choice? Scary.

 

Read above it:

Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:

    1. Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
    2. Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
    3. Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
    4. Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
    5. Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
    6. Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
    7. Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
    8. Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.
  • National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
  • Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement, and will receive a new Small Business Health Tax Credit that helps reduce health care costs for small businesses.
  • Support for Small Businesses: Barack Obama will create a Small Business Health Tax Credit to provide small businesses with a refundable tax credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees. This new credit will provide a strong incentive to small businesses to offer high quality health care to their workers and help improve the competitiveness of America’s small businesses.

Assuming that children probably can't buy health insurance, I'm guessing it would work like free meals at schools.

 

Sorry for my lack of information on this. I´m not american. I read the plan, but it doesn´t say how he plans to pay for it. Is that specified somewhere?

EDIT - Actually he says that emplyers will contribute to the plan. But that won´t be enough, right? What elese will he use? And I´m guessing, companies aren´t going to be too pleased.

Here in my country companies pay an obscene amount of taxes to the government, so if he did that here, everybody would have health insurance, but nobody would have jobs (cause no company would be able to afford it). So you would die of starvation instead of some disease



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appolose on 04 September 2008
steven787 said:
steven787 said:
bigjon said:
superchunk said:
Didn't see her oral presentation, but, I think she is a religious coot and can't wait to see her stay Gov. of Alaska in 2009.

 

 her religion and guns statement was targeted at people like you.

Besides Obama believes in something, he aligns himself with SOMETHING.. Whether is be Humanism, Islam, whatever you have to believe something. The fact he hides it seems more worrysome to me that someone being open about their beliefs. Unless she does something to inhibet others religous freedoms I do not see why you should be such a hater about it.



"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful." (Barack Obama Christianity Today, January 2008)

Criticizing someones beliefs is one thing, but attempting to mislead people is another.  I criticized Sarah Palins beliefs and how they fit in with American governing, because she said the War was a task from god. 

What exactly are you trying to imply?

 

Bigjon? Where'd you go, I was looking forward to your answer.

"gives me a path"...  with that, he could be implying that there are other paths to eternal life, which would be completely wrong for a Christian to say, or he could just have been saying it in a somewhat vague way.  Either way, it is a little troublesome.

Most importantly? This is even more troubling.  Is he saying that that is the most important aspect of Christianity?  If so, then he's either very badly mistaken, or he's lying.

 



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Coca-Cola on 04 September 2008

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