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The_vagabond7 said:
Aaaw, snap. I just found out why McCain picked Palin. Straight from MSNBC

Palin, 44, has been under a media microscope since McCain tapped her last week, but she seems to have energized Republicans heading into the fall campaign.

Crotchety old bastard stole dole's viagra. Go getcha some McCain.

 

LMAO.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Hah. Fun.

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bigjon said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
bigjon, what about the part of Leviticus that lists a bunch of things that are "tehovah" (meaning either "unclean" or "an abomination" depending on which completely separate translation your Bible goes by)?

Is everything that's tehovah the same amount of tehovah or are some things more tehovah than others?


Here are a few from the list:


Men having long hair.
Women having short hair.
Women letting their hair down.
Gay sex.

Without putting them into context (Leviticus doesn't), I'd assume that we should believe they are all equally as bad. So do they all send us straight to hell, or was this list the kind of thing that was just culturally accepted thousands of years ago but isn't relevant today?

 

 there are parts of Leviticus that are refferring directly to Israel and ancient life, even the most conservayive Biblicist agree to that. Like where is says a woman should not ride a camel for three day until after her period...

As far as the long hair thing I believe it is the principle behind it we should keep. Which is there should be a difference between the way a man looks and a woman looks. (Thus the reason the right hates Rosie O... lol)

The gay sex part is mentioned other places, and I believe it is not my place to judge others for it. It is between them and God. It really does not affect others around them (except in cases where they want to adopt) so people should leave them alone. As far as Murder, Stealing, Lieing, adultry, etc they do directly affect others and they is why I am more outspoken about it.

No I am not a buffet line Christian, I believe in the entire Bible. There are just certain legislative type laws in Levi that were made directly at the jews.


I admit, I'm not very educated or familiar at all with the bible, but take for instance this Leviticus part, was this supposedly god's will transmitted through these people who had documented it? If so, regardless of the time, I would find it quite amusing to think of an almighty being saying:

"No woman shall ride a camel until three days after she has menstruated, for it is gross"

Second thing I'd like to mention, which is a tad bit more serious, is on the homosexual issue that is so rudely just refer to as gay sex (in general, not just by you). If you have anybody close to you that is gay, ask them why they chose to be gay. People have asked someone dear to me several times, and the response they always get is 'Why would I choose to be gay? To be make fun of so much, made the butt end of every joke, to be told I'm an abomination so often, having your parents reject you, to be physically threatened to the point where you fight it for the first 20 years of your life, refusing to accept it... why would anyone chose this life?' (Maybe not exactly those words, but very similar - heavy stuff... just trying to get a point across). I'm telling you, regardless of your belief, it's difficult to see that person you love so dearly as a liar.

I really don't want to get started on the adoption issue... I tend to get a bit carried away on this issue, I apologize.

edit: Whoops. Didin't realize the thread had died two days ago. I wouldn't have revived it.



TheRealMafoo said:
bigjon said:


BUT- I think the stupidest thing he did was cut taxes, then go to war. I know why he did it. He wanted to keep his campaign promise (unlike his father), but the circumstances where much different after 9/11

 

THe stupidest thing he ever did, was invade Iraq. Cutting taxes is a good thing.

Here is an interesting statistic. Every year the government cuts taxes, they collect more money. If the goal is to generate more income for the government, why would you raise them?

 

I don't know about that in all circumstances, but I have read i the wall street journal that raising taxes on cigarettes typically decreses cigarette tax revenue. This is why democrats are looking for NEW kinds of taxes, such as a carbo cap and trade system that they can tax.



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steven787 said:

Edit: at theRealMafoo:

No, you will not go to jail if you can't afford it; it will be paid for by subsidies.  If you can afford health insurance, then you already have it - even the very wealthy except maybe the top .01% need health insurance when it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars if you get sick.

If you're trying to say something say it directly.  If you have a belief speak out, you're not doing your cause favors by taking a round about jab at the issue.

 

I have said it directly. Where in the constitution, or bill of rights, does it say I have the right to heath insurance? Where does it say the government as a right to force it upon my family?

Let's say I make 35K a year, enough so the government is not going to pay me. Let's say the only car I will allow my kids to ride in is mine, and my car insurance will cover any accident. I take them every 6 months to get physicals, and pay for it out of my pocket.

What if insurance for my kids cost 6k a year? (it's posable), and I feel that 6k can go to better options for there future. I could hire tutors, or send them to collage. I could feed them healthier food, and practice preventative medicine.

In most cases (possibly all), Heath insurance I feel is the right choice, but I feel it should be a choice, not dictated to me by my government.

I feel the same way about the seatbelt law. While it's always the right choice to ware one, there is no constitutional bases for the government to require me to do so.

EDIT: The cost of heath insurance is not even the problem. It's the cost of heath care. "Fixing" the problem by giving everyone insurance is not taking care of the real issue. Healthcare should cost 1/10th of what it costs today. 

For healthy 20 year olds starting out of college with very little money, Helath Insurance is often and illogical choice to spend their scant resources on. In this case, it is illogical to impose health care on these people.

 



Watch this! It will make you want to vote Republican!



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

pearljammer said:
bigjon said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
bigjon, what about the part of Leviticus that lists a bunch of things that are "tehovah" (meaning either "unclean" or "an abomination" depending on which completely separate translation your Bible goes by)?

Is everything that's tehovah the same amount of tehovah or are some things more tehovah than others?


Here are a few from the list:


Men having long hair.
Women having short hair.
Women letting their hair down.
Gay sex.

Without putting them into context (Leviticus doesn't), I'd assume that we should believe they are all equally as bad. So do they all send us straight to hell, or was this list the kind of thing that was just culturally accepted thousands of years ago but isn't relevant today?

 

 there are parts of Leviticus that are refferring directly to Israel and ancient life, even the most conservayive Biblicist agree to that. Like where is says a woman should not ride a camel for three day until after her period...

As far as the long hair thing I believe it is the principle behind it we should keep. Which is there should be a difference between the way a man looks and a woman looks. (Thus the reason the right hates Rosie O... lol)

The gay sex part is mentioned other places, and I believe it is not my place to judge others for it. It is between them and God. It really does not affect others around them (except in cases where they want to adopt) so people should leave them alone. As far as Murder, Stealing, Lieing, adultry, etc they do directly affect others and they is why I am more outspoken about it.

No I am not a buffet line Christian, I believe in the entire Bible. There are just certain legislative type laws in Levi that were made directly at the jews.


I admit, I'm not very educated or familiar at all with the bible, but take for instance this Leviticus part, was this supposedly god's will transmitted through these people who had documented it? If so, regardless of the time, I would find it quite amusing to think of an almighty being saying:

"No woman shall ride a camel until three days after she has menstruated, for it is gross"

Second thing I'd like to mention, which is a tad bit more serious, is on the homosexual issue that is so rudely just refer to as gay sex (in general, not just by you). If you have anybody close to you that is gay, ask them why they chose to be gay. People have asked someone dear to me several times, and the response they always get is 'Why would I choose to be gay? To be make fun of so much, made the butt end of every joke, to be told I'm an abomination so often, having your parents reject you, to be physically threatened to the point where you fight it for the first 20 years of your life, refusing to accept it... why would anyone chose this life?' (Maybe not exactly those words, but very similar - heavy stuff... just trying to get a point across). I'm telling you, regardless of your belief, it's difficult to see that person you love so dearly as a liar.

I really don't want to get started on the adoption issue... I tend to get a bit carried away on this issue, I apologize.

edit: Whoops. Didin't realize the thread had died two days ago. I wouldn't have revived it.


Not that it's gross... more that it's unsanitary.

I also believe that's why Jewish people have to eat Kosher foods.  It was more a health concern, and what's the easiest way to get people to follow health concerns?  Will of god.  These foods named "unclean" also pose unique health risks.  So were they seen as unclean because of people being struck with afflications after eating them?

Same with pork and cow restrictions, though admittidly it's just my own pet theory.

The ban on homosexuality has it's own basis in public policy as well. 

Not the "ONO!  GAY PEOPLE WILL DESTROY EVERYBODY LIKE THE ROMANS" type.  (even though the Romans were more gay before they adopted Christianity and fell.)

More so... in that you've got a small, somewhat xenophobic but justifiable race of people.

So they are very outside.  Which ancient Jewish people were... and even a lot of Orthodox Jewish people are.  They don't want to marry off their kids to non Jews.

So then.. You have a small population, which makes every loss of an able bodied man or woman that much more dangerous to the pool.  I mean, they didn't know gene pools back then... but they knew that you couldn't marry people too close to each other in family relations.

So no doubt they saw homosexuality as a big threat.


Sure it's mentioned later on in the bible... but i mean.... that's later on in the bible.  After a while people just accept that stuff as the rule of law.  So of course they'd repeat it.

The dietary stuff is mentioned later on in the bible as well i believe.

Technically if taking the entire bible as true Christians should not be eating Pigs and basicaly follow the Jewish diet... as it is still mentioned in the later testament.



akuma587 said:
Watch this! It will make you want to vote Republican!

That was obviously just the left wing media twisting and spinning the truth to fit their own agenda. The right wing media (fox) obviously never twist things to fit what the message of the day is.

 



Kasz216 said:
pearljammer said:
bigjon said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
bigjon, what about the part of Leviticus that lists a bunch of things that are "tehovah" (meaning either "unclean" or "an abomination" depending on which completely separate translation your Bible goes by)?

Is everything that's tehovah the same amount of tehovah or are some things more tehovah than others?


Here are a few from the list:


Men having long hair.
Women having short hair.
Women letting their hair down.
Gay sex.

Without putting them into context (Leviticus doesn't), I'd assume that we should believe they are all equally as bad. So do they all send us straight to hell, or was this list the kind of thing that was just culturally accepted thousands of years ago but isn't relevant today?

 

 there are parts of Leviticus that are refferring directly to Israel and ancient life, even the most conservayive Biblicist agree to that. Like where is says a woman should not ride a camel for three day until after her period...

As far as the long hair thing I believe it is the principle behind it we should keep. Which is there should be a difference between the way a man looks and a woman looks. (Thus the reason the right hates Rosie O... lol)

The gay sex part is mentioned other places, and I believe it is not my place to judge others for it. It is between them and God. It really does not affect others around them (except in cases where they want to adopt) so people should leave them alone. As far as Murder, Stealing, Lieing, adultry, etc they do directly affect others and they is why I am more outspoken about it.

No I am not a buffet line Christian, I believe in the entire Bible. There are just certain legislative type laws in Levi that were made directly at the jews.


I admit, I'm not very educated or familiar at all with the bible, but take for instance this Leviticus part, was this supposedly god's will transmitted through these people who had documented it? If so, regardless of the time, I would find it quite amusing to think of an almighty being saying:

"No woman shall ride a camel until three days after she has menstruated, for it is gross"

Second thing I'd like to mention, which is a tad bit more serious, is on the homosexual issue that is so rudely just refer to as gay sex (in general, not just by you). If you have anybody close to you that is gay, ask them why they chose to be gay. People have asked someone dear to me several times, and the response they always get is 'Why would I choose to be gay? To be make fun of so much, made the butt end of every joke, to be told I'm an abomination so often, having your parents reject you, to be physically threatened to the point where you fight it for the first 20 years of your life, refusing to accept it... why would anyone chose this life?' (Maybe not exactly those words, but very similar - heavy stuff... just trying to get a point across). I'm telling you, regardless of your belief, it's difficult to see that person you love so dearly as a liar.

I really don't want to get started on the adoption issue... I tend to get a bit carried away on this issue, I apologize.

edit: Whoops. Didin't realize the thread had died two days ago. I wouldn't have revived it.


Not that it's gross... more that it's unsanitary.

I also believe that's why Jewish people have to eat Kosher foods.  It was more a health concern, and what's the easiest way to get people to follow health concerns?  Will of god.  These foods named "unclean" also pose unique health risks.  So were they seen as unclean because of people being struck with afflications after eating them?

Same with pork and cow restrictions, though admittidly it's just my own pet theory.

The ban on homosexuality has it's own basis in public policy as well. 

Not the "ONO!  GAY PEOPLE WILL DESTROY EVERYBODY LIKE THE ROMANS" type.  (even though the Romans were more gay before they adopted Christianity and fell.)

More so... in that you've got a small, somewhat xenophobic but justifiable race of people.

So they are very outside.  Which ancient Jewish people were... and even a lot of Orthodox Jewish people are.  They don't want to marry off their kids to non Jews.

So then.. You have a small population, which makes every loss of an able bodied man or woman that much more dangerous to the pool.  I mean, they didn't know gene pools back then... but they knew that you couldn't marry people too close to each other in family relations.

So no doubt they saw homosexuality as a big threat.


Sure it's mentioned later on in the bible... but i mean.... that's later on in the bible.  After a while people just accept that stuff as the rule of law.  So of course they'd repeat it.

The dietary stuff is mentioned later on in the bible as well i believe.

Technically if taking the entire bible as true Christians should not be eating Pigs and basicaly follow the Jewish diet... as it is still mentioned in the later testament.

I know that, it's just that it seems like such a petty thing to have to enforce an almighty will over.

Thanks for the response though, it was an enjoyable read.