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Timmah! on 04 September 2008

Hey, appolose, If you believe the bible, what about the part where the ONLY requirements listed to be saved was "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." I don't remember any other qualifications. What if somebody only heard of Jesus through a missionary, but never learned to read, and thus didn't believe in the rest of the bible (because they never heard of it)? What then?

I'm just sayin'.

Edit: And how the crap did a thread called "Sarah Palin FTW!!!" get turned into a rediculous, over the top discussion about the Bible and salvation???



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appolose on 04 September 2008
Timmah! said:

Hey, appolose, If you believe the bible, what about the part where the ONLY requirements listed to be saved was "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." I don't remember any other qualifications. What if somebody only heard of Jesus through a missionary, but never learned to read, and thus didn't believe in the rest of the bible (because they never heard of it)? What then?

I'm just sayin'.

Edit: And how the crap did a thread called "Sarah Palin FTW!!!" get turned into a rediculous, over the top discussion about the Bible and salvation???

 

Believing the Bible isn't a qualification, it's just that if you don't, there's no other reason to believe in Jesus, as the Bible's the only source for that.  In fact, that's where the missionary would have gotten it from.  What would be a more approriate word would be is knowingly contradicting the Bible, the source for your belief in the first place, is self-defeating.

 

I don't know how it got here, either.



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That Guy on 04 September 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
rocketpig said:
State, really? I always thought that about Elizabeth Dole. There's something about the Red Cross that gets me hard.

 

Nah, Palins got major dsl. Shes a tough cookie too. :)

 

DSL? I hear cable is faster. Comcast FTW



appolose on 04 September 2008

Goodnight everyone.



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Timmah! on 05 September 2008
That Guy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
rocketpig said:
State, really? I always thought that about Elizabeth Dole. There's something about the Red Cross that gets me hard.

 

Nah, Palins got major dsl. Shes a tough cookie too. :)

 

DSL? I hear cable is faster. Comcast FTW

Comcast sucks. Their speed fluctuates when lots of people get on, and their customer service blows chunks.

Wow, we are really off topic.

 



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fkusumot on 05 September 2008
appolose said:

Believing the Bible isn't a qualification, it's just that if you don't, there's no other reason to believe in Jesus, as the Bible's the only source for that.  In fact, that's where the missionary would have gotten it from.  What would be a more approriate word would be is knowingly contradicting the Bible, the source for your belief in the first place, is self-defeating.

Actually you are completely wrong about that. We are all born with the word of god within us.



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bigjon on 05 September 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
bigjon, what about the part of Leviticus that lists a bunch of things that are "tehovah" (meaning either "unclean" or "an abomination" depending on which completely separate translation your Bible goes by)?

Is everything that's tehovah the same amount of tehovah or are some things more tehovah than others?


Here are a few from the list:


Men having long hair.
Women having short hair.
Women letting their hair down.
Gay sex.

Without putting them into context (Leviticus doesn't), I'd assume that we should believe they are all equally as bad. So do they all send us straight to hell, or was this list the kind of thing that was just culturally accepted thousands of years ago but isn't relevant today?

 

 there are parts of Leviticus that are refferring directly to Israel and ancient life, even the most conservayive Biblicist agree to that. Like where is says a woman should not ride a camel for three day until after her period...

As far as the long hair thing I believe it is the principle behind it we should keep. Which is there should be a difference between the way a man looks and a woman looks. (Thus the reason the right hates Rosie O... lol)

The gay sex part is mentioned other places, and I believe it is not my place to judge others for it. It is between them and God. It really does not affect others around them (except in cases where they want to adopt) so people should leave them alone. As far as Murder, Stealing, Lieing, adultry, etc they do directly affect others and they is why I am more outspoken about it.

No I am not a buffet line Christian, I believe in the entire Bible. There are just certain legislative type laws in Levi that were made directly at the jews.



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Kasz216 on 05 September 2008
appolose said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
appolose said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
appolose said:
Paul said:
akuma587 said:
appolose said:

 

@ bold

Actually, that's the point I'm making; that's what your method would inevitably lead to.

And I'm not saying the Bible is a legal document, I was just pointing out the inconsistencies that can arise between what Obama says and the Bible says (and whatever else I had been saying).

Any Christian who believes everything in the Bible believes that pi is 3.00, that every animal on earth (including every parasite, and every insect species we have YET to discover) fit onto one boat, that people can live for over 700 years, and that demons constantly infect people.

So if Obama doesn't believe in all those things he is not a good Christian?  Your inconsistencies are greater than mine.  The point is that a person's Christian beliefs and their social policy do not have to be the same, and probably shouldn't be.  They should follow social policies that they think are best for the country, not just themselves.

 

The guy has a Jesus riding a dinosaur avatar, this is an argument you aren't going to win. The world is only 5000 years old you know.

 

 

6000

Anyways, if Obama contradicts the Bible, then, by definition, he is not a Christian; that is, as the only place he can get the idea that Jesus was crucified and that that forgives him of all his sins is from the Bible, contradicting any other part of the Bible would invalidate his profession of his belief in Christ (which, he got from the Bible). 

Again, my point isn't that we should be using the Bible as the source of governmental workings, my point is that, by definition, Obama is not a Christian.

Futhermore, you contradict yourself by saying that a person should follow the society's feeling of what is moral and by saying that previous majority's beliefs were immoral.  I gave the example of majority choices that you would disagree with (and would rebel against, I imagine) then say we should follow the majority anyway.  And why should they follow the majority, anyway?  Who decided that, the majority?

Finally, no, the Bible doesn't equate pi to be 3 (yes, I know what passage you're referring to), why would a parasite take up much room on the ark, and it wasn't a pair of every species, it was a pair of every kind (but that's a different argument).


Is there only one type of Christian?

I just took the quiz in your sig, and it lists 9 types of theologians, and grades me on all 9.

Is everybody who takes the quiz a Christian, or only if they get the same exact score as you?

 

You are a Christian if you believe that Jesus died for... well, you know the rest.  Again, I'm saying that Obama, having derived his belief in Christ from the Bible, cannot contradict the Bible, as that would invalidate his supposed belief in Christianity.  If he can't believe it, then he can't believe in Jesus.  That is just the logic of it.

What theology did you get?

 

So what if I believe that Jesus is the way the truth and the light and there is no way to Heaven but through Him, but I don't believe in the Garden of Eden and the snake and the apple and the Ark and all that jazz?

I got 96% Emergent/Postmodern, all the way down to 0% Fundamentalist.

The test wasn't really relevant to me though.  A lot of the questions I would've opted out of if I could.

Because the only source for your belief in Jesus is from the Bible.  If you dismiss the Bible, you inevitably dismiss a belief in Jesus.

I got Wesleyan as my most (can't remember the percentage).  There were a couple of question I could have done without, too.

 

That's... not really true.  I mean... for one... he's in the Koran.  

Also... i'm about 80% sure Jesus was written about by historians in the era outside of the bible and such records exist to this day.

Also, the bible is just a collection of Christian writings that were deemed worthy.  Tons of other accounts of jesus were tossed out and destroyed... but we knew that at least some involved jesus

It's something that was put together by the romans to make a better "mass market" easy to control religion.  The main of the religion would have to stay in obviously, but it''s not inconsistant to ignore the parables to make you a better Roman.



bigjon on 05 September 2008
Kasz216 said:
appolose said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
appolose said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
appolose said:
Paul said:
akuma587 said:
appolose said:
 

 

@ bold

Actually, that's the point I'm making; that's what your method would inevitably lead to.

And I'm not saying the Bible is a legal document, I was just pointing out the inconsistencies that can arise between what Obama says and the Bible says (and whatever else I had been saying).

Any Christian who believes everything in the Bible believes that pi is 3.00, that every animal on earth (including every parasite, and every insect species we have YET to discover) fit onto one boat, that people can live for over 700 years, and that demons constantly infect people.

So if Obama doesn't believe in all those things he is not a good Christian?  Your inconsistencies are greater than mine.  The point is that a person's Christian beliefs and their social policy do not have to be the same, and probably shouldn't be.  They should follow social policies that they think are best for the country, not just themselves.

 

The guy has a Jesus riding a dinosaur avatar, this is an argument you aren't going to win. The world is only 5000 years old you know.

 

 

6000

Anyways, if Obama contradicts the Bible, then, by definition, he is not a Christian; that is, as the only place he can get the idea that Jesus was crucified and that that forgives him of all his sins is from the Bible, contradicting any other part of the Bible would invalidate his profession of his belief in Christ (which, he got from the Bible). 

Again, my point isn't that we should be using the Bible as the source of governmental workings, my point is that, by definition, Obama is not a Christian.

Futhermore, you contradict yourself by saying that a person should follow the society's feeling of what is moral and by saying that previous majority's beliefs were immoral.  I gave the example of majority choices that you would disagree with (and would rebel against, I imagine) then say we should follow the majority anyway.  And why should they follow the majority, anyway?  Who decided that, the majority?

Finally, no, the Bible doesn't equate pi to be 3 (yes, I know what passage you're referring to), why would a parasite take up much room on the ark, and it wasn't a pair of every species, it was a pair of every kind (but that's a different argument).


Is there only one type of Christian?

I just took the quiz in your sig, and it lists 9 types of theologians, and grades me on all 9.

Is everybody who takes the quiz a Christian, or only if they get the same exact score as you?

 

You are a Christian if you believe that Jesus died for... well, you know the rest.  Again, I'm saying that Obama, having derived his belief in Christ from the Bible, cannot contradict the Bible, as that would invalidate his supposed belief in Christianity.  If he can't believe it, then he can't believe in Jesus.  That is just the logic of it.

What theology did you get?

 

So what if I believe that Jesus is the way the truth and the light and there is no way to Heaven but through Him, but I don't believe in the Garden of Eden and the snake and the apple and the Ark and all that jazz?

I got 96% Emergent/Postmodern, all the way down to 0% Fundamentalist.

The test wasn't really relevant to me though.  A lot of the questions I would've opted out of if I could.

Because the only source for your belief in Jesus is from the Bible.  If you dismiss the Bible, you inevitably dismiss a belief in Jesus.

I got Wesleyan as my most (can't remember the percentage).  There were a couple of question I could have done without, too.

 

That's... not really true.  I mean... for one... he's in the Koran.  

Also... i'm about 80% sure Jesus was written about by historians in the era outside of the bible and such records exist to this day.

Also, the bible is just a collection of Christian writings that were deemed worthy.  Tons of other accounts of jesus were tossed out and destroyed... but we knew that at least some involved jesus

It's something that was put together by the romans to make a better "mass market" easy to control religion.  The main of the religion would have to stay in obviously, but it''s not inconsistant to ignore the parables to make you a better Roman.

Correction. Mathew, Luke, and John all knew Jesus very well, and were disciples. John in fact was the disciple Jesus was closest to. Also the book of James was written be Jesus's brother.

Mark was written by a follower of Paul, less than 50 years after the death of Jesus. That would be like someone who was a kid during the Korean war writing about it now... again 1st hand information. Which of course does not matter if you believe the Bible entirely. Because if you do you believe it was inspired by God and therefor completly trustwothy.

 



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That Guy on 05 September 2008
Timmah! said:
That Guy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
rocketpig said:
State, really? I always thought that about Elizabeth Dole. There's something about the Red Cross that gets me hard.

 

Nah, Palins got major dsl. Shes a tough cookie too. :)

 

DSL? I hear cable is faster. Comcast FTW

Comcast sucks. Their speed fluctuates when lots of people get on, and their customer service blows chunks.

Wow, we are really off topic.

 

 

I guess you're right.

I prefer Palin's DSL then.

DSL gets my approval.