bigjon, the Bible myth is in several other religions around that time period. Just as several other religions around that time had virgin mothers give birth to their messiahs. They were all ripping each other off. And once the Romans got their hands on Christianity, they molded it to fit their political whims even more.
| bigjon said: Oh, someone just mentioned the Dinosaurs... You know Noah did not need to bring a 500 year old 80 ft. long dinasours. He could have brought a BABY (or Pup or whatever they call young Dinos..) |
So there was a baby dino hatchery on the ark along with every other animal to ever exist? Are you serious? How many the bible is the literal truth people are out there? Sometimes I think the states are 150 million liberals away from being as backwards as Saudi Arabia.
Why are you guys jabbering about dinosaurs? The Medicine Cabinet is starting her speech.
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akuma587 said:
So then how do we have all the species of insects that we do have right now? Did they all evolve between now and when the original insects left the Ark? Or was Noah just like, "Awww fuck it, God's not gonna check and see if I got EVERY one out there." Meanwhile Noah and his family had to be infected with every human parasite in existence for the sake of preserving the animals. I am going to let you in on a little secret, the flood never happened. Go read the Sumerian/Akkadian flood myth and then read the Judeo-Christian one. And that's not even getting into the factual inconsistencies which have always plagued the flood story when comparing it to the actual fossil record. But you seem to be a religious fundamentalist, so you're not going to listen what I have to say anyways. And who are you to determine who is and who isn't a Christian? You are seriously opening yourself up to a Pandora's Box of judgment proclaiming that you understand the will of God so well. If Obama isn't a Christian based off his beliefs, you are not one based off your judgmental actions, or are at least are one who is going straight to hell.
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I really don't mind arguing, but, please, assume the benifit of the doubt for me, okay? I actually am convinced of what I am saying.
Again, the species thing is another argument, one which would take us down the creation-evolution thing forever, while my point was to show that the Bible doesn't say every species. My point is not to show how that's possible, just to show that your reference to the Bible was wrong.
Did you read what I said about how it would be inconsistent for him to assert some parts of the Bible and reject others? If he can't believe the Bible, he can't believe in Jesus (and all that follows); if he can't believe in Jesus, then he is, by definition, NOT a Christian. That is not "judgemental"; that is semantics. I'm not even saying he should be one, merely that he isn't. Would I be wrong to say he was a senator, due to the fact that he was elected to the senate? Hardly.
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| The Ghost of RubangB said: bigjon, the Bible myth is in several other religions around that time period. Just as several other religions around that time had virgin mothers give birth to their messiahs. They were all ripping each other off. And once the Romans got their hands on Christianity, they molded it to fit their political whims even more. |
Actually, most scholars believe that the Bible (and similar religious texts) are based on folk-tales which were (in most cases) based on real people and real events ... This doesn't mean that what is in the Bible should be considered literal fact, but you shouldn't dismiss it as simply being "myths" either.
| bigjon said: The Bible is clearly for capital punishment, and it clearly does not say war is wrong in itself, but it does not promote it as a good thing. God uses war many times in the OT to punish people. Basically I see it like this. The Bible is not a legal document, but it is more like a moral compass (its second purpose, its first purpose is to reveal Christ). It is the best place for people to look and see the right way to live. Obviously certain parts (in the OT escpecially) were pointed directly at Isreal and do not apply to Modern day countries. However, I believe all the Bible is profitable (I Timothy 3: 16-17) and we kind still use the principle behind the out dated laws. A good example is where in Leviticus it says we should offer our best lamb (spotless) on the Sabbath as a sacrifice. I obviously do not believe that still applies, but I think I can still take something from that. I can take that when I am doing something for God I should give him my best, whether it be work, or whatever. So my view is you cannot count out any of the Bible because there are still underlying principles that apply. |
So... you're a cafeteria christian?
What if I'm a Christian because I believe that Christ was the human manifestation of G-d and he died for our sins and I live by his teachings?
What the hell do I even need a Bible for? Do I have to believe in Adam and Eve and the Ark and Leviticus and Revelations to accept and believe Jesus?
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I just took the quiz in your sig, and it lists 9 types of theologians, and grades me on all 9. Is everybody who takes the quiz a Christian, or only if they get the same exact score as you? |
You are a Christian if you believe that Jesus died for... well, you know the rest. Again, I'm saying that Obama, having derived his belief in Christ from the Bible, cannot contradict the Bible, as that would invalidate his supposed belief in Christianity. If he can't believe it, then he can't believe in Jesus. That is just the logic of it.
What theology did you get?
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akuma587 said:
So why don't we prosecute women who drink and smoke while they have kids? That would technically be assault or worse. And why don't we prosecute women who have miscarriages? They obviously weren't taking good enough care of their bodies or they just have weak genes, so we should charge them with murder.
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Your comparing an abortion with a miscariage? An abortion is an intentional removal of the babies life a miscariage is accidental thats like saying that if anyone dies from disease you should charge their family with murder.
And women who drink and smoke while they have kids is a very bad thing and I am highly against that as well. But unfortunately for your arguement drinking and smoking around kids is legal (and I am well aware of the fact that its worse if the child is still inside the women) but killing someone is always illegal, unless the person is still inside the mother but that shouldn't be the case. And miscarriage is the fault of no one and isn't even related to abortion so I really don't understand where you were going with that other than the fact that both involve someone dieing, but I'm not sure if your aware but most deaths are not due to murder.
bigjon, what about the part of Leviticus that lists a bunch of things that are "tehovah" (meaning either "unclean" or "an abomination" depending on which completely separate translation your Bible goes by)?
Is everything that's tehovah the same amount of tehovah or are some things more tehovah than others?
Here are a few from the list:
Men having long hair.
Women having short hair.
Women letting their hair down.
Gay sex.
Without putting them into context (Leviticus doesn't), I'd assume that we should believe they are all equally as bad. So do they all send us straight to hell, or was this list the kind of thing that was just culturally accepted thousands of years ago but isn't relevant today?
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