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Ickalanda on 04 September 2008
akuma587 said:
Retrasado said:

Wait a minute. You think that if a majority of the country believes murder or stealing is ok, it should be legal?

Also, if you want to bring the Bible into this discussion, try this verse on for size:

Exodus 21:22 (KJV) 
    If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

I'd say that God did care about fetuses....

 

...was that supposed to be a serious question?  Abortion isn't a crime in our country because it doesn't hurt anyone else and the mother has to bear the consequences of the choice herself.  Her body, her choice.

Murder is a crime because you infringe upon someone's else's right to live.

Why should the Bible influence our social policy?  Our country doesn't have an official religion and we have a doctrine in the Constitution that says there should be a permanent separation of church and state.

The point is it doesn't matter what the Bible says about the issue because the Bible isn't our Constitution our country's law.  I agree that the Bible probably condemns those who have an abortion, but the Bible doesn't determine our social policy, we do.

 

Haha, are you serious? Do you even realize what your saying here exactly?  Your saying it's ok to abort a baby because it doesn't hurt anyone else but the baby but murder isn't ok because it hurts the person, it's a contradiction.

 

And babies are alive prior to birth it's a fact they already can hear things and there body starts forming early on, also they are alive right from conseption.  Killing a baby prior to birth is the same as killing a baby a day after birth only difference is you can see and hear the one day old baby.

 



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appolose on 04 September 2008
Paul said:
akuma587 said:
appolose said:

 

@ bold

Actually, that's the point I'm making; that's what your method would inevitably lead to.

And I'm not saying the Bible is a legal document, I was just pointing out the inconsistencies that can arise between what Obama says and the Bible says (and whatever else I had been saying).

Any Christian who believes everything in the Bible believes that pi is 3.00, that every animal on earth (including every parasite, and every insect species we have YET to discover) fit onto one boat, that people can live for over 700 years, and that demons constantly infect people.

So if Obama doesn't believe in all those things he is not a good Christian?  Your inconsistencies are greater than mine.  The point is that a person's Christian beliefs and their social policy do not have to be the same, and probably shouldn't be.  They should follow social policies that they think are best for the country, not just themselves.

 

The guy has a Jesus riding a dinosaur avatar, this is an argument you aren't going to win. The world is only 5000 years old you know.

 

 

6000

Anyways, if Obama contradicts the Bible, then, by definition, he is not a Christian; that is, as the only place he can get the idea that Jesus was crucified and that that forgives him of all his sins is from the Bible, contradicting any other part of the Bible would invalidate his profession of his belief in Christ (which, he got from the Bible). 

Again, my point isn't that we should be using the Bible as the source of governmental workings, my point is that, by definition, Obama is not a Christian.

Futhermore, you contradict yourself by saying that a person should follow the society's feeling of what is moral and by saying that previous majority's beliefs were immoral.  I gave the example of majority choices that you would disagree with (and would rebel against, I imagine) then say we should follow the majority anyway.  And why should they follow the majority, anyway?  Who decided that, the majority?

Finally, no, the Bible doesn't equate pi to be 3 (yes, I know what passage you're referring to), why would a parasite take up much room on the ark, and it wasn't a pair of every species, it was a pair of every kind (but that's a different argument).



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akuma587 on 04 September 2008
Ickalanda said:

Haha, are you serious? Do you even realize what your saying here exactly?  Your saying it's ok to abort a baby because it doesn't hurt anyone else but the baby but murder isn't ok because it hurts the person, it's a contradiction.

 

And babies are alive prior to birth it's a fact they already can hear things and there body starts forming early on, also they are alive right from conseption.  Killing a baby prior to birth is the same as killing a baby a day after birth only difference is you can see and hear the one day old baby.

 

So why don't we prosecute women who drink and smoke while they have kids?  That would technically be assault or worse.

And why don't we prosecute women who have miscarriages?  They obviously weren't taking good enough care of their bodies or they just have weak genes, so we should charge them with murder.

 



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The Ghost of RubangB on 04 September 2008
Paul said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
The Bible has separate punishments for causing a pregnant woman to miscarry, for killing an infant, killing somebody 3 years old but not adult yet, and for killing adults.

And look what happened to poor Onan when he pulled out and blew his load on the rug. God killed him, really nice that god fellow is, really nice.

I can't post it here... but I highly recommend you do a Google Image Search for "Onan the Barbarian."

 



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bigjon on 04 September 2008

The Bible is clearly for capital punishment, and it clearly does not say war is wrong in itself, but it does not promote it as a good thing. God uses war many times in the OT to punish people.

Basically I see it like this. The Bible is not a legal document, but it is more like a moral compass (its second purpose, its first purpose is to reveal Christ). It is the best place for people to look and see the right way to live. Obviously certain parts (in the OT escpecially) were pointed directly at Isreal and do not apply to Modern day countries. However, I believe all the Bible is profitable (I Timothy 3: 16-17) and we kind still use the principle behind the out dated laws.

A good example is where in Leviticus it says we should offer our best lamb (spotless) on the Sabbath as a sacrifice. I obviously do not believe that still applies, but I think I can still take something from that. I can take that when I am doing something for God I should give him my best, whether it be work, or whatever. So my view is you cannot count out any of the Bible because there are still underlying principles that apply.



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akuma587 on 04 September 2008
appolose said:

 

Again, my point isn't that we should be using the Bible as the source of governmental workings, my point is that, by definition, Obama is not a Christian.

Futhermore, you contradict yourself by saying that a person should follow the society's feeling of what is moral and by saying that previous majority's beliefs were immoral.  I gave the example of majority choices that you would disagree with (and would rebel against, I imagine) then say we should follow the majority anyway.  And why should they follow the majority, anyway?  Who decided that, the majority?

Finally, no, the Bible doesn't equate pi to be 3 (yes, I know what passage you're referring to), why would a parasite take up much romm on the ark, and it wasn't a pair of every species, it was a pair of every kind (but that's a different argument).

So then how do we have all the species of insects that we do have right now?  Did they all evolve between now and when the original insects left the Ark?  Or was Noah just like, "Awww fuck it, God's not gonna check and see if I got EVERY one out there."  Meanwhile Noah and his family had to be infected with every human parasite in existence for the sake of preserving the animals.

I am going to let you in on a little secret, the flood never happened.  Go read the Sumerian/Akkadian flood myth and then read the Judeo-Christian one.  And that's not even getting into the factual inconsistencies which have always plagued the flood story when comparing it to the actual fossil record.

But you seem to be a religious fundamentalist, so you're not going to listen what I have to say anyways.

And who are you to determine who is and who isn't a Christian?  You are seriously opening yourself up to a Pandora's Box of judgment proclaiming that you understand the will of God so well.  If Obama isn't a Christian based off his beliefs, you are not one based off your judgmental actions, or are at least are one who is going straight to hell.

 



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Paul on 04 September 2008
appolose said:
Paul said:
akuma587 said:
appolose said:
 

 

@ bold

Actually, that's the point I'm making; that's what your method would inevitably lead to.

And I'm not saying the Bible is a legal document, I was just pointing out the inconsistencies that can arise between what Obama says and the Bible says (and whatever else I had been saying).

Any Christian who believes everything in the Bible believes that pi is 3.00, that every animal on earth (including every parasite, and every insect species we have YET to discover) fit onto one boat, that people can live for over 700 years, and that demons constantly infect people.

So if Obama doesn't believe in all those things he is not a good Christian?  Your inconsistencies are greater than mine.  The point is that a person's Christian beliefs and their social policy do not have to be the same, and probably shouldn't be.  They should follow social policies that they think are best for the country, not just themselves.

 

The guy has a Jesus riding a dinosaur avatar, this is an argument you aren't going to win. The world is only 5000 years old you know.

 

 

6000

Anyways, if Obama contradicts the Bible, then, by definition, he is not a Christian; that is, as the only place he can get the idea that Jesus was crucified and that that forgives him of all his sins is from the Bible, contradicting any other part of the Bible would invalidate his profession of his belief in Christ (which, he got from the Bible). 

Again, my point isn't that we should be using the Bible as the source of governmental workings, my point is that, by definition, Obama is not a Christian.

Futhermore, you contradict yourself by saying that a person should follow the society's feeling of what is moral and by saying that previous majority's beliefs were immoral.  I gave the example of majority choices that you would disagree with (and would rebel against, I imagine) then say we should follow the majority anyway.  And why should they follow the majority, anyway?  Who decided that, the majority?

Finally, no, the Bible doesn't equate pi to be 3 (yes, I know what passage you're referring to), why would a parasite take up much room on the ark, and it wasn't a pair of every species, it was a pair of every kind (but that's a different argument).

Why would a parasite take up much room on the Ark? How about all the dinosaurs jesus kept in his garage?

haha, are you kazadoom? I miss that bible thumping nut.

 



bigjon on 04 September 2008
akuma587 said:
appolose said:
 

 

Again, my point isn't that we should be using the Bible as the source of governmental workings, my point is that, by definition, Obama is not a Christian.

Futhermore, you contradict yourself by saying that a person should follow the society's feeling of what is moral and by saying that previous majority's beliefs were immoral.  I gave the example of majority choices that you would disagree with (and would rebel against, I imagine) then say we should follow the majority anyway.  And why should they follow the majority, anyway?  Who decided that, the majority?

Finally, no, the Bible doesn't equate pi to be 3 (yes, I know what passage you're referring to), why would a parasite take up much romm on the ark, and it wasn't a pair of every species, it was a pair of every kind (but that's a different argument).

So then how do we have all the species of insects that we do have right now?  Did they all evolve between now and when the original insects left the Ark?  Or was Noah just like, "Awww fuck it, God's not gonna check and see if I got EVERY one out there."  Meanwhile Noah and his family had to be infected with every human parasite in exist for the sake of preserving the animals.

I am going to let you in on a little secret, the flood never happened.  Go read the Sumerian/Akkadian flood myth and then read the Judeo-Christian one.  And that's not even getting into the factual inconsistencies which have always plagued the flood story when comparing it to the actual fossil record.

But you seem to be a religious fundamentalist, so you're not going to listen what I have to say anyways.

And who are you to determine who is and who isn't a Christian?  You are seriously opening yourself up to a Pandora's Box of judgment proclaiming that you understand the will of God so well.  If Obama isn't a Christian based off his beliefs, you are not one based off your judgmental actions, or are at least are one who is going straight to hell.

 

I have read The Epic of Gilgamesh (Akkadian Flood Account) and it is clearly based off the same event as the Genesis flood. However, the EoG is was more skewed and obviously the story had been muddled over time by the time it was written down. (it sounds very Mythic)

As far as the Parasite argument, you do realize that there was million of rotting corpeses floating in the sea, certain organism would not have to be in the Ark to survive... such as fish...

 



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bigjon on 04 September 2008

Oh, someone just mentioned the Dinosaurs... You know Noah did not need to bring a 500 year old 80 ft. long dinasours. He could have brought a BABY (or Pup or whatever they call young Dinos..)



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The Ghost of RubangB on 04 September 2008
appolose said:
Paul said:
akuma587 said:
appolose said:

 

@ bold

Actually, that's the point I'm making; that's what your method would inevitably lead to.

And I'm not saying the Bible is a legal document, I was just pointing out the inconsistencies that can arise between what Obama says and the Bible says (and whatever else I had been saying).

Any Christian who believes everything in the Bible believes that pi is 3.00, that every animal on earth (including every parasite, and every insect species we have YET to discover) fit onto one boat, that people can live for over 700 years, and that demons constantly infect people.

So if Obama doesn't believe in all those things he is not a good Christian?  Your inconsistencies are greater than mine.  The point is that a person's Christian beliefs and their social policy do not have to be the same, and probably shouldn't be.  They should follow social policies that they think are best for the country, not just themselves.

 

The guy has a Jesus riding a dinosaur avatar, this is an argument you aren't going to win. The world is only 5000 years old you know.

 

 

6000

Anyways, if Obama contradicts the Bible, then, by definition, he is not a Christian; that is, as the only place he can get the idea that Jesus was crucified and that that forgives him of all his sins is from the Bible, contradicting any other part of the Bible would invalidate his profession of his belief in Christ (which, he got from the Bible). 

Again, my point isn't that we should be using the Bible as the source of governmental workings, my point is that, by definition, Obama is not a Christian.

Futhermore, you contradict yourself by saying that a person should follow the society's feeling of what is moral and by saying that previous majority's beliefs were immoral.  I gave the example of majority choices that you would disagree with (and would rebel against, I imagine) then say we should follow the majority anyway.  And why should they follow the majority, anyway?  Who decided that, the majority?

Finally, no, the Bible doesn't equate pi to be 3 (yes, I know what passage you're referring to), why would a parasite take up much room on the ark, and it wasn't a pair of every species, it was a pair of every kind (but that's a different argument).


Is there only one type of Christian?

I just took the quiz in your sig, and it lists 9 types of theologians, and grades me on all 9.

Is everybody who takes the quiz a Christian, or only if they get the same exact score as you?



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