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he may have been referring to the Crusades
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steven787 said:
I think you are confusing libertarian with Libertarian, but I will explain anyway. I believe that a free market, a free mind, and a free hand are essential to living out my utopian fantasy. That is all it is though. A fantasy. In reality, the world is full of bad things that one person cannot overcome on their own. Democrats want your wallet, Republicans want everything else. For some reason, Libertarians tend to align them selves with the Republicans because of lower taxes, and talk about free markets and less government spending (which neither party acts to lower the role of government). But there are two elements to libertarianism. Economic freedom AND social freedom. Libertarians tend to forego the second to get the first.
Now, I'll go over the pragmatic parts 4th and 5th amendments have been abridged because of the Patriot Act in the name of "National Security" - a largely republican baby, but Dems have been voting for it because of fear of looking weak or being called unpatriotic (which really pisses me off but they will stop that bullshit when there's a Democratic president). 1st amendment, religious right and Republicans want to eliminate many forms of expression. 2nd amendment, Republicans keep saying Dems want to take away guns, but I haven't seen any serious gun ban proposals in the U.S on the Federal level. Even if Democrats do pass socialized medicine and increase funding for schools, which won't happen, it would be a hell of a lot better than the abominable corruption in the "free market" medical industry and schools we have now. (Schools is one place I differ from pure libertarianism) Foreign Policy: Democrats promote a plan much closer to libertarian and Libertarian foreign policy than the Reupublicans. Ask Ron Paul or any real Libertarian what they think of Republican foreign policy. I also believe the power to wage war lies in Congress' hands, not the executive. |
thanks for that.
It's weird that you think that the Republicans are the problem for the above mentioned. I blame the lliberal Democrats for them. Crazy thing about politics I guess and we can agree to disagree, but
It just seem like you don't trust/like people of Christian faith - I don't get that.
The article says:
She urged students to pray “that our leaders -- that our national leaders -- are sending [soldiers] out on a task that is from God.”
Read that. Read the actual meaning of what she is saying. It does NOT say anything about the war being a task from God. She says to pray that the leaders are sending them to do good. To pray that they will do the right thing, whatever that may be, because we don't know what God's plan is. Anyone who claims to know that will be laughed at, by atheists and religious people alike.
She did not call the war a task from God. People are completely misunderstanding this quote, or perhaps intentionally manipulating it. (I don't trust journalists, reporters, radio guys, etc., either liberal or conservative)
Anyway, I do not believe she is a religious zealot. People are simply going nuts over a politician expressing her religion, at a religious function, which she has every right to do, just like any citizen of the U.S.
| Fayceless said: The article says: She urged students to pray “that our leaders -- that our national leaders -- are sending [soldiers] out on a task that is from God.” Read that. Read the actual meaning of what she is saying. It does NOT say anything about the war being a task from God. She says to pray that the leaders are sending them to do good. To pray that they will do the right thing, whatever that may be, because we don't know what God's plan is. Anyone who claims to know that will be laughed at, by atheists and religious people alike. She did not call the war a task from God. People are completely misunderstanding this quote, or perhaps intentionally manipulating it. (I don't trust journalists, reporters, radio guys, etc., either liberal or conservative) Anyway, I do not believe she is a religious zealot. People are simply going nuts over a politician expressing her religion, at a religious function, which she has every right to do, just like any citizen of the U.S. |
Thank you!
Did anyone actually read the quote?
Really, it's not that confusing. Just read it.
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Avalach21 said:
Thank you!
Did anyone actually read the quote? Really, it's not that confusing. Just read it. |
I thought that's what she would have said.
why do people have problems with religious people wanting to do what is right?
thanks for the post.
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Avalach21 said:
Thank you!
Did anyone actually read the quote? Really, it's not that confusing. Just read it. |
Agreed
Anyone who uses the name of God to justify a war is claiming to know the will of God, which is in itself pretty heretical. I don't think God wants anyone to die if it can be avoided, unless you are talking about the Old Testament.
And most of the instances of violence promoted in the New Testament have to do with the Christians being a minority oppressed by the authorities. Jesus broke away from many of the tendencies in the Old Testament, including adopting a pacifistic approach rather than a "chosen race" attitude the Israelites used to conquer other nations.
You want to wage a war, fine, but don't claim that God has given you permission to do so. You are asking for a one-way ticket to hell otherwise.
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I have to say that I agree with Sqrl on this one ... What Sarah Palin said would most accurately be paraphrased as "I hope that the war in Iraq is supported by God." I'm not a religious person, but I suspect that most religious people would have a similar thought if/when their family and/or friends were soldiers in a war zone. I don't (really) see how this is dramatically worse than saying "I hope that history will show that this action was justified"
Certainly, she could have been more sensitive in how she phrased what she said due to how some people will perceive a statement like that; but at the time of making that statement she (really) didn't have any reason to believe that anyone outside of that congregation would have any interest in what she said, so it is understandable that it was not more carefully phrased.
| akuma587 said: Anyone who uses the name of God to justify a war is claiming to know the will of God, which is in itself pretty heretical. I don't think God wants anyone to die if it can be avoided, unless you are talking about the Old Testament. And most of the instances of violence promoted in the New Testament have to do with the Christians being a minority oppressed by the authorities. Jesus broke away from many of the tendencies in the Old Testament, including adopting a pacifistic approach rather than a "chosen race" attitude the Israelites used to conquer other nations. You want to wage a war, fine, but don't claim that God has given you permission to do so. You are asking for a one-way ticket to hell otherwise. |
The phrase "for God and Country" has traditionally been used for soldiers going off to war. It's not a religious statement calling for a holy war, nor is it suggesting that the war itself is ordained by God. The suggestion here is that the soldiers are doing good (if you believe that selflessly risking your own safety protecting the Iraqi people, liberating them, etc is good, this makes sense), and that doing good in this case is God's will. It's more about the decision of the individual soldier to selflessly serve his country than anything else. This statement is being blown way out of proportion. If she'd have said it on the campaign trail, then it would be crazy. In a church or prayer setting, however, it's about the individual soldiers, not the overall war effort.
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