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Jackson50 said:
There have been 4152 reported US military deaths in Iraq sing Operation Iraqi Freedom commenced in 2003. Here is an authoritative site that displays the casualties for coalition forces, contractors and civilians.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

The thing about Iraq, is it's not our deaths that offend me.  It the deaths of 100's of thousands of Iraqis, not terrorists or Militaristic Baathists, but documented civilian, police, and military deaths.

Of course a compassionate person would care about them.

Survey Iraqi deaths March 2003 to...
Iraqi Health Ministry survey 151,000 violent deaths out of 400,000 excess deaths due to the war. June 2006
Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006
Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. August 2007


I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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steven787 said:
Coca-Cola said:
Liberals are scared for some reason.
If she is not a good candidate, then fine, she might not have been a good selection for mcCain, but I don't know why liberals so scared.
It's like Clarence thomas thing. I think liberals should have been scared then, but not for this.

I know you're talking about Democrat-liberals, but I just want to say, you are right:

As a classical liberal/moderate libertarian and I am scared by her.

 

She's dangerous.  Hearing a potential president say that a war is a "task that is from God" is scary.

your posts don't make you sound like a libertarian at all.

If you were, then you would be far far far away from Obama.

But I'll take your word for it.

 



Coca-Cola said:
steven787 said:
Coca-Cola said:
Liberals are scared for some reason.
If she is not a good candidate, then fine, she might not have been a good selection for mcCain, but I don't know why liberals so scared.
It's like Clarence thomas thing. I think liberals should have been scared then, but not for this.

I know you're talking about Democrat-liberals, but I just want to say, you are right:

As a classical liberal/moderate libertarian and I am scared by her.

 

She's dangerous.  Hearing a potential president say that a war is a "task that is from God" is scary.

your posts don't make you sound like a libertarian at all.

If you were, then you would be far far far away from Obama.

But I'll take your word for it.

 

 

I think you are confusing libertarian with Libertarian, but I will explain anyway.

I believe that a free market, a free mind, and a free hand are essential to living out my utopian fantasy.  That is all it is though.  A fantasy.  In reality, the world is full of bad things that one person cannot overcome on their own.

Democrats want your wallet, Republicans want everything else.

For some reason, Libertarians tend to align them selves with the Republicans because of lower taxes, and talk about free markets and less government spending (which neither party acts to lower the role of government).

But there are two elements to libertarianism.  Economic freedom AND social freedom.  Libertarians tend to forego the second to get the first.

 

Now, I'll go over the pragmatic parts

4th and 5th amendments have been abridged because of the Patriot Act in the name of "National Security" - a largely republican baby, but Dems have been voting for it because of fear of looking weak or being called unpatriotic (which really pisses me off but they will stop that bullshit when there's a Democratic president).

1st amendment, religious right and Republicans want to eliminate many forms of expression.

2nd amendment, Republicans keep saying Dems want to take away guns, but I haven't seen any serious gun ban proposals in the U.S on the Federal level.

Even if Democrats do pass socialized medicine and increase funding for schools, which won't happen, it would be a hell of a lot better than the abominable corruption in the "free market" medical industry and schools we have now. (Schools is one place I differ from pure libertarianism)

Foreign Policy: Democrats promote a plan much closer to libertarian and Libertarian foreign policy than the Reupublicans.  Ask Ron Paul or any real Libertarian what they think of Republican foreign policy.  I also believe the power to wage war lies in Congress' hands, not the executive.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Cheers steven. Some people can't even be bothered wiki searching iraq casualities

War is obvious. How about the 50 to 60% of chinese with much shorter life expectancy simply because of pollutants in their water and air. From manufacturing all our shit, yes were responsible.



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Sqrl said:

It sounds a lot more to me like she is asking people to pray that it is the right course rather than declaring that it is. Sort of like saying "I pray we are doing the right thing."

Either way I'm trying to figure out why it is a problem for her to speak about this type of thing...at a church..? I was kind of under the impression that it was a given that you were allowed to speak of your convictions of faith at church...is that so crazy?

The real question I have from all of this is whether or not people are going to stop trying to smear Palin before there is a backlash from the voters....at this point my guess is on a "no". 

As an anecdote I talked to my mom today and we discussed a bit of politics and let me tell you that my mom isn't exactly the type of person to curse and get spitting mad...well she is beyond pissed off at the way Palin has been treated.  As another example I saw Susan Estrich (democratic strategist) tonight after the RNC coverage and she was saying that if Palin was a man none of this would be on the table for discussion and that she was hearing from all sorts of woman in the democratic party who were livid at the way she has been attacked and how sexist it has been. Just two stories, but a backlash starts with one or two and grows from there...it will be interesting to see if this one will grow into a full backlash before the smears take hold.

Agree with you, and interesting, I personally do think that she has been unfairly criticsed.

In regards to atheists respecting other people's opinions, I can only think of 2 atheists that respect the fact I'm a Christian, the rest do not, and continuously attack me for holding such views.



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steven787 said:

I don't think Jesus would approve of War in his name.

Do you?

 

Umm... we are talking about the same Jesus that told his people to kill in his name as he was being sent to the cross right?

It's up for debate as to what he really meant (kill all jews, kill the people who turned on him, etc), but he did say for all practical purposes to go start a war in his name.



megaman79 said:
Cheers steven. Some people can't even be bothered wiki searching iraq casualities

War is obvious. How about the 50 to 60% of chinese with much shorter life expectancy simply because of pollutants in their water and air. From manufacturing all our shit, yes were responsible.

 

No, were not. Unless we occupied them and told them how to run there country, we are not responsible for how they treat themselves.



TheRealMafoo said:
steven787 said:

I don't think Jesus would approve of War in his name.

Do you?

 

Umm... we are talking about the same Jesus that told his people to kill in his name as he was being sent to the cross right?

It's up for debate as to what he really meant (kill all jews, kill the people who turned on him, etc), but he did say for all practical purposes to go start a war in his name.

 

What in the hell are you talking about??



Wow...this lady is really a psychopath!



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

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It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler