| bigjon said: Let me ask, what do you believe in? What controls what? Fate? destiny? |
You.
| bigjon said: Thats the ticket attack her religious beliefs... Most Christians believe in something known as the soveriegnty of God. They believe that God is in control, and everything that heads onto your path came from God, or he allowed it. Let me ask, what do you believe in? What controls what? Fate? destiny? You believe in something. Do you want people to trash what you believe. |
I believe using God, in New Testament terms, this is not correct.
“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." (Matthew 7:12)
“‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.” (Matthew 22:36-40)
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him." (John 3:16-17)
I don't think Jesus would approve of War in his name.
Do you?
War is an instrument of the state, the state is man-made. Placing divine right onto the state is stupid and dangerous.
"Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. 'Teacher,' they said, 'we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?' But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, 'You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax.' They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, 'Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?' 'Caesar's,' they replied. Then he said to them, 'Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.' When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away."(Matthew 22:15)
(Edit: I'm not Christian.)
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
| bigjon said: Thats the ticket attack her religious beliefs... Most Christians believe in something known as the soveriegnty of God. They believe that God is in control, and everything that heads onto your path came from God, or he allowed it. Let me ask, what do you believe in? What controls what? Fate? destiny? You believe in something. Do you want people to trash what you believe. |
Marmalade. And I find it offensive that you do not feel the same way.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| stellabelg said: Religions are the greatest threat of humanity - stellabelg. |
"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."
-Karl Marx
Not saying I agree or disagree. Just food for thought 
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steven787 said:
I believe using God, in New Testament terms, this is not correct. “Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." (Matthew 7:12) “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.” (Matthew 22:36-40) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him." (John 3:16-17) I don't think Jesus would approve of War in his name. Do you? War is an instrument of the state, the state is man-made. Placing divine right onto the state is stupid and dangerous. "Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. 'Teacher,' they said, 'we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?' But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, 'You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax.' They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, 'Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?' 'Caesar's,' they replied. Then he said to them, 'Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.' When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away."(Matthew 22:15) (Edit: I'm not Christian.) |
Sorry, to quote myself:
When selecting our political leaders, everything about their character is up for the scrutiny of the citizens.
I do not belong to a party and I am not on TV. I don't have to play nice, but I do. Not because I respect her but because I know that an inclusive approach will receive the best response.
This case is an exception.
I, and every person of the world, has the rightresponsibility to ask that their leaders do not send them blindly into war. They have the duty to ask of their leaders to justify their decisions of life and death.
"God ordains it" may be acceptable and placid when talking about saving lives, but by no means does "God ordains it" enough to commit your citizens to death.
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
cdude1034 said:
"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." -Karl Marx Not saying I agree or disagree. Just food for thought |
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
[Benjamin Franklin]
“we study the glory of god, and the honour and liberty of parliament, for which we unaminously fight, without seeking our own interests....i profess i could never satisfy myself on the justness of this war, but from the authority of the parliament to maintain itself in its rights; and in this cause i hope to prove myself an honest man and single-hearted.”
Oliver Cromwell to Colonal Valentine Walton. 5 or 6 September 1644.
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
I agree that it is somewhat unsettling when an elected official invokes God's will when setting policy, but I would like to her what she has to say regarding what she meant. If she meant that it is God's will that the US Army liberate Iraqis and spread freedom, then what she said would be more palatable. I am not saying the US liberated Iraqis or spread freedom, but if that is what she honestly believed and that it was God's will to do so...I would not be upset at that sentiment.
I don't even believe in god, but trying to say you know what his will is is pretty arrogant, especially on such complex issues. Religious zealotry leads to people to be cocksure of anything they think is a good idea. For somebody that's trying to pragmatically make a decision, reason has influence. On a person who insists they are doing the will of god, reason has no place. That's why god in such high level politics is such a terrible idea. People in power shouldn't be relying on what they think god wants them to do to make a decision.
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I am a Christian, but I hate what the Evangelicals have done to this country. I always find myself siding with the atheists and the agnostics because they are more often than not the ones who respect other people's opinions.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
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