| madskillz said: The hits keeps coming! http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry4413030.shtml The National Enquirer is gonna run a piece of an alleged Palin affair. You can't make this crap up. |
Well holy shit if true! Then Trig might not be Todd's son!?
senseinobaka said:
1) Palin sued the Bush Administration for not putting Polar Bears on the endangered species list. I dont agree with that, but it shows that her gubernatorial administration does care about enviromental issues. 2)As asinine as her church's beliefs may be it doesnt have any bearing on her candidacy since they are not political rantings. Now Jeremiah Wright's teachings since the are not biblical/spirtual and are radically political then they play a legitimate role in the debate if a candidate subscribes to such teachings.
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1) It was the other way around. The Bush administration tried to put polar bears on the endangered species list. Palin sued them because that would scare away oil companies. She does not give a shit about the environment. And she doesn't believe in global warming either.
In fact, here is an editorial in the New York Times from this January, about polar bears, WRITTEN BY SARAH PALIN.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html
2) Her pastor said anybody that supported Kerry in 2004 will be denied salvation, and after Katrina he said that anybody who doubts their president or their pastor will be condemned to hell. He apparently doesn't want anybody to doubt any authority ever.
| HappySqurriel said:
I agree that lots of bad policies are consistent with people's beliefs, and (in fact) I believe that Sarah Palin's policy decision was wrong, this doesn't change the fact that akuma's claim that it was hypocritical was entirely wrong ... On top of this, I didn't jump to any conclusions ... I made the stament "If Sarah Palin believes ... " which leaves open the possibility that she doesn't believe that. |
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1320417.aspx
Palin is a staunch supporter of abstinence only education. The abstinence only education she gave her child was obviously ineffective. Thus, she is a hypocrite for claiming that abstinence only education is the appropriate sexual education method for our schools when, by looking at her own family, it is obviously not an effective means of preventing teen pregnancy.
And don't claim that it isn't the mother's fault that her child is pregnant. It is not directly her fault, but if the child wasn't using contraception because her mother or school never told her about it, then it is partially Palin's fault.
Abstinence-only education is a hideous failure in most places it is implemented (including my hometown). The local town and the university here (both pretty sizable, the town is 200,000) are in the top 3 towns and top 3 universities for STD infections in the nation.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
akuma587 said:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1320417.aspx Palin is a staunch supporter of abstinence only education. The abstinence only education she gave her child was obviously ineffective. Thus, she is a hypocrite for claiming that abstinence only education is the appropriate sexual education method for our schools when, by looking at her own family, it is obviously not an effective means of preventing teen pregnancy. And don't claim that it isn't the mother's fault that her child is pregnant. It is not directly her fault, but if the child wasn't using contraception because her mother or school never told her about it, then it is partially Palin's fault. Abstinence-only education is a hideous failure in most places it is implemented (including my hometown). The local town and the university here (both pretty sizable, the town is 200,000) are in the top 3 towns and top 3 universities for STD infections in the nation. |
Read my other post ... There are three possibilities, and I personally think that is the least likely (#2 being the most likely)
HappySqurriel said:
Read my other post ... There are three possibilities, and I personally think that is the least likely (#2 being the most likely)
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Ok, here's your number 2:
"Bristol and her boyfriend knew that sex can lead to pregnancy and knew that condoms and birthcontrol pills would reduce the probability of Bristol getting pregnant but decided to have unprotected sex anyways"
Yes, and everyone knew that drunk driving was dangerous, but education and public service campaigns led to large reductions and a change in mindset towards it.
I'm a mod, come to me if there's mod'n to do.
Chrizum is the best thing to happen to the internet, Period.
Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!
Bet with dsisister44: Red Steel 2 will sell 1 million within it's first 365 days of sales.
| stof said: Ok, here's your number 2: "Bristol and her boyfriend knew that sex can lead to pregnancy and knew that condoms and birthcontrol pills would reduce the probability of Bristol getting pregnant but decided to have unprotected sex anyways"
Yes, and everyone knew that drunk driving was dangerous, but education and public service campaigns led to large reductions and a change in mindset towards it. |
I don't disagree ...
This doesn't change the fact that the schadenfreude demonstrated by many people about her families troubles is sickening, and the assumption that "If only Bristol had sexual education she wouldn't be pregnant" is flawed.
HappySqurriel said:
I don't disagree ... This doesn't change the fact that the schadenfreude demonstrated by many people about her families troubles is sickening, and the assumption that "If only Bristol had sexual education she wouldn't be pregnant" is flawed. |
No one is claiming that she wouldn't have gotten pregnant otherwise, but its pretty damning testimony that abstinence-only education is an excessively idealistic and religiously motivated idea since teen pregnancy is so prevalent, and often even more prevalent in areas without real sex education.
Republicans run on family values, always. That is one of the reasons why the Religious Right votes for them so regularly. It is completely fair game if their families don't live up to the standard they proclaim partially due to their own narrow-mindedness.
I hope you pay this much attention to politics in your own country as you do to politics in ours.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
akuma587 said:
No one is claiming that she wouldn't have gotten pregnant otherwise, but its pretty damning testimony that abstinence-only education is an excessively idealistic and religiously motivated idea since teen pregnancy is so prevalent, and often even more prevalent in areas without real sex education. Republicans run on family values, always. That is one of the reasons why the Religious Right votes for them so regularly. It is completely fair game if their families don't live up to the standard they proclaim partially due to their own narrow-mindedness. I hope you pay this much attention to politics in your own country as you do to politics in ours.
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Actually, I was looking at the statistics the other day and the most comprehensive sexual education programs (as well as the strictest Abstinence only programs) end up at both ends of the spectrum in terms success at preventing teen pregnancy.
The intersting thing is that both end of the spectrum focus so heavily on what form of education is important while completely ignoring the statistic infront of them ... The numbers demonstrate that the #1 way to prevent teen pregnancy is to live in a middle class neighborhood and send your children to a good school with the expectation of going to college. No one studies this closely, but I suspect the reasoning is that teens in these communities are far more likely to abstain from sex (and to use adequate protection when they do have sex) in order to protect their futures.
I went to a college prep school in a middle class neighborhood and chicks got pregnant.
The school expelled them for being pregnant. It would also expel you if you got married (because then your boss is to your wife, not your teacher), and they taught the gay kids they were going to burn in hell forever.
Oh wait, that was because it was Catholic. Oops.
Can we get some sauce on the claim that EXPLICIT XXX sex-education increases teen pregnancies?
| The Ghost of RubangB said:
Can we get some sauce on the claim that EXPLICIT XXX sex-education increases teen pregnancies?
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Who made that claim?
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