Stan85 said:
bbsin said:
Stan85 said:
bbsin said:
Stan85 said:
bbsin said:
For every time someone replies on a thread that's trying to convince people that the 360 is RROD free without any direct proof, a 360 somewhere out there gets the RROD.
Tread carefully folks....
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The proof is in the hardware. The GPU is the source of the rrod,now it doesn`t move from the motherbord,so that`s my proof. Not talking about the hardware or asume something,but disecting the hardware.
And i can`t prove or convince someone that does not want a 360 or hates it.
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First off, you're just speculating based hardware revisions that the RROD won't ever pop up again. Second, the proof is within reports from retailers and consumer surveys. So no, you do not have any solid proof. Just speculation.
And the GPU was not the only source of the RROD, in fact, it was mainly from the solder. I doubt you know enough about enginnering and electronics to simply say "because they made this smaller, it won't break anymore", so you're not very credible either.
Regarding your last sentence. I own a 360 and do not hate it, but you obviously don't convince me, not unless you give me real proof and an indepth run of the 360's internal hardware and the exact specifics on why RROD happens.
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Smaller GPU means less power consumption and LESS heat coming from that chip. Now,with less heat,the motherbord does not bend and the solder is not stressed anymore. The rrod is a long process,when from all that motherboard bending,the solder gives up and rrod appears.
And with the Falcon,a special glue made by ATI (epoxy resin if your care) is applies to the GPU to make sure it DOES NOT stress the solder (this should have been done from the start,but MS wanted to save 50 million $ and from this the RRoD madness). After that,a passive cooler is applyed on the GPU so the heat will be transfered in the area where it will be blown out of the console. With the Jasper model,everything will be cooler.
Any more complaints? Any more hardware details you want to know? Please,don`t be shy.
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All you did was repeat what I've already read on the first page. Is that all you know? So me the proof where it says the RROD is directly and only caused by a worn solder? do it. If you can, then you got me convinced. Unfortunatly, for you, RROD can be casued by many issues within the 360, even ones that have not existed on previous models.
Like I said, everything you've said is just speculation. I'll PM you, when the first Jasper model RRODs on the internet.
I will make a bet with any of you that the new jasper hardware revision will not be clear of any hardware issues that can render the 360 as unplayable, including the RROD. If you have over 500 posts or is stan85, i'll give up my avatar control and sig control for a year if there are no problems within a year of it's official release and vice versa if there is.
Assuming that the 360 is much more reliable than before is logical and reasonable, claiming that there will be no more problems after a model is released is not.
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Fine. I have a friend that fixes them. He applyes the Xclamps on the GPU after heating it and voila,the solder re-touches the motherbord and no more RRoD. I`m not going to lie and say " i fix them myself" , but if you have a question,i will ask his and give you his reply. ANd btw,the bottom memory on the motherbord is not cooled as far as i know,that in a few cases led to rrod. Now with the 60 gb and jasper model,they have dropped that and doubled the capacity of the memory on thetop of the motherbord,where it`s cooled. Good job,MS.
Jasper will probably take your rrod nighmares away,while 2009-2010 Walhalla cip (65 nm cpu,65 nm gpu all in one super chip) will probably make you buy a 360 and stop your hate on MS and it`s products.
And google the 360 rrod cause,i`m not going to bother convincing you about the cause , when i have explained it to you in detail and told you how things work internaly. You seem to know more than i dodon`t you?
Like i said,nothing more i can do.
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Fail. I have friends that can fix 360s aswell (most of the time) but I'm not going to run around trying to get people to buy a 360 based off speculation that there will not be any problems from here on out.
As for my RROD nightmares and my"hate" for MS and it's products....
No, the jasper and "Walhalla cip" won't take them away because:
1. I already had a 360 that RROD once and another that still have disk errors but still functions.
2. Your desperate attempt to clear Microsoft's name as far as hardware manufacturing is concerned, is awful.
3. The "hate" never existed, If you weren't blind, you can see that I play my 360 games all the times and buy their products.
Like I've said before, the solder is not the only cause of the RROD as the RROD stands for "general hardware failure". Before you tell me to google it up, you should google up a microsoft tech or go to their main website and read the description yourself.
I love the fact that since you cannot back up your claims of the future, you label anyone that disagrees with you a "fanboy" or "microsoft hater". Pity, all you've been trying to do all this time is protect your favorite system from "fanboys" but in reality, you've revealed that you are one yourself. This thread = flop.
Bottom line: The jasper will break and RROD still exists, just not as much as previous models. (hopefully)
