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stof on 30 August 2008

Alright, I think it's time for another reminder that comparing a politician you don't agree with to Hitler is tantamount to standing on a street corner screaming that the world will end if you don't wear your tinfoil hat. That is to say, no one will take you seriously.

 

So I went on down to adultlearn.com and found a handy little chart of dictators and their death tolls. While only Stalin has bested Hitler's monstrous death toll, I think any of these man can be compared to Hitler on some level.

 

History's greatest monsters

Dictators responsible for massive crimes against humanity (over 20 million dead)

Name Country Time in Power Regime type Notable Events After...
Joseph Stalin USSR 1924-1953 Communist Revolutionary regime died in office
Adolph Hitler Germany 1933-1945 Fascist World War II, Jewish Holocaust committed suicide
Mao Tse-Tung China 1945-1976 Communist Revolutionary regime died in office


Dictators responsible for horrible atrocities (at least 1 million dead)

Name Country Time in Power Notable Events Regime type After...
King Leopold II Belgium 1865-1909 Colonization of the Congo Monarch died in office
Kaiser Wilhelm II Germany 1888-1918 World War I Monarch fled, died in exile
Czar Nicholas II Russia 1894-1917 World War I Monarch overthrown, killed
Enver Pasha, member of triumvirate dictatorship Turkey 1913-1918 Armenian genocide Military fled, died in rebellion
Vladimir Lenin USSR 1917-1924 Russian Civil War Communist died in office
Emperor Hirohito Japan 1926-1989 World War II Monarch died in office
Prime Minister Hirota Koki 1936-1937 Military resigned, tried, executed
Prime Minister Tojo Hideki 1941-1944 Military resigned, tried, executed
President Chiang Kai-shek China / Taiwan 1928-1949 Chinese Civil War Military died in office
President Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam 1945-1969 Vietnam War Communist died in office
President Kim Il Sung North Korea 1948-1994 Korean War Communist died in office
President Yahya Khan Pakistan 1969-1971 Indo-Pakistan War Military resigned, died
President Saddam Hussein Iraq 1969-2003 Iran-Iraq War, Kurdish genocide one party state overthrown, tried, executed
Prime Minister Pol Pot Cambodia 1975-1979 Cambodian genocide Communist overthrown, arrested, died awaiting trial
President Kim Jong Il North Korea 1994- chronic famines Communist still in power


Generally bad dictators (over 10,000 killed)

President Kemal Ataturk Turkey 1920-1938 one party state died in office
Prime Minister Benito Mussolini Italy 1922-1943 Fascist overthrown, killed
Prime Minister Antonio de Salazar Portugal 1932-1968 Fascist resigned, died
Francisco Franco Spain 1939-1975 Fascist died in office
Prime Minister Ion Antonescu Romania 1940-1944 Fascist overthrown, tried, executed
Ante Pavelic Croatia 1941-1945 Fascist overthrown, died in exile
Gheorghe Gheorghiu Romania 1945-1965 Communist died in office
President Tito Yugoslavia 1945-1980 Communist died in office
President Yakubu Gowon Nigeria 1966-1976 Military overthrown, still living
President Suharto Indonesia 1967-1997 Military resigned, still living
President Idi Amin Uganda 1971-1980 Military overthrown, died in exile
President Mengistu Haile Ethiopia 1974-1991 Communist fled, lives in exile
President Le Duan Vietnam 1976-1986 Communist died in office
President Babrak Karmal Afghanistan 1979-1987 Communist resigned, died in exile
President Slobodan Milosevic Yugoslavia 1997-2000 Fascist resigned, arrested, died awaiting trial
President Omar al-Bashir Sudan 1989- Military Still in office

 

 

Anyone not on this chart, you should probably not compare to Hitler.

 

Discuss.

 

P.S. If there are errors in this chart I apologize. I'm mainly just doing this for the "you're Hitler" crowd.



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akuma587 on 30 August 2008

I vote for Nixon. That guy abused power like nobody's business. At least he didn't slaughter people though.

Stalin was worse than Hitler, so if anyone should be a measuring stick of absolute looniness it is him.



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d21lewis on 30 August 2008

You forgot Master D from Bionic Commando.



stof on 30 August 2008

Nixon was a donkey's ass.

But he sure ain't no Hitler.



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zexen_lowe on 30 August 2008

You missed Videla from Argentina, 30000 people kidnapped and executed, most Latin America dictators should be there too (Pinochet, Stroessner, etc)

Source (wiki)

"According to estimates, at least 8,960 and up to about 30,000 Argentinians were subject to forced disappearance (desaparecidos) and most probably killed; many were illegally detained and tortured, and others went into exile."




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oliist on 30 August 2008

My vote goes to Kefka. ;)

OT:
I don't think the death toll alone should be the indicator which leader(not all lunatic politicians were non-elected dictators)was/is the worst.
The methods of their leadership are a far more important factor.
But overall i think that those kind of comparisons are simplifying and not very eloquent.



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ManusJustus on 30 August 2008

Thats a crappy list.  Why are civil wars on there, as if the leaders killed people themselves in the political turmoil.  Why are Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis not on this list? 

If Ho Chi Minh is on that list then Richard Nixon and several other Americans should be on that list.  Ho Chi Minh was loved by Vietnam and the United States blocked a nationwide vote that would had determined their leader (Eisenhower stated that Ho Chi Minh would win 90 percent of the vote if it was conducted).

Did Germany and Russia kill a million people each during World War I that wasn't directly involved with the war itself?  I see they glossed over the British, French, and Americans.



stof on 30 August 2008

Like I said, it's probably not a great list. Just trying to point out that unless you're a dictator responsible for the deliberate slaughter of your own people, Hitler comparisons really don't work.



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senseinobaka on 30 August 2008

Just a correction on the chart. Hitler was a socialist. In fact, Nazi = National Socialist. The only fascist policies he pursued were the gov't control of factories during the war time.



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kirby007 on 30 August 2008

Is it wrong if you agree with some of his ideas?



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