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its already the longest running minority government and it seems its likely to come down next week due to uncooperative opposition parties.   

im surprised they got as much done as they did last session. 

i expect another minority conservative government.

 

what are your thoughts?



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MrBubbles said:

its already the longest running minority government and it seems its likely to come down next week due to uncooperative opposition parties.   

im surprised they got as much done as they did last session. 

i expect another minority conservative government.

 

what are your thoughts?

 

Personally, I'd say most of the hang ups came from the Conservative government, who often derailed even their own legislation in committee.

As for the election call; Stephen Harper passed fixed election dates as part of his accountability package and now he's throwing that right out the window by asking the Governor General to dissolve parliament despite the fact that the ruling party has not lost a no- confidence vote.

 

It's a balls move to try and avoid the by-elections and I'm pretty pissed off about it.



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If the other parties arent going to work with them, there is no point in waiting.



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But they are. Like I said, the Conservatives themselves are responsible for much of the gridlock in Parliament. Not long ago a handbook was discovered that had been distributed to Conservative MP's with tips and suggestions on how to stall bills at the Committee Level.

The sooner the Conservatives get their election, the less likely Dion and the Liberals will be able to put up much of a fight. And that pretty much seems to be the only motivation for this; pre-empting the 4 upcoming by-elections that could go in favour of the Liberals.

I don't like our government being brought down for his party's sake. Don't like it at all.



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stof,

It's not just the conservatives who have been playing politics, the Liberals, Bloc and NDP have all been very careful to criticize absolutely everything the Conservatives have done while abstaining from votes to ensure that the government stands because their parties are down in the polls.

Now, I'm pretty sure if we get an election this fall it will be without the Conservatives breaking any election laws ... Most likely the Conservatives will make the throne speech a confidence motion, and the direction layed out in the throne speech will be (pretty much) their election platform; if the opposition parties support the throne speech they will be in a tough position to defeat the government on any confidence motion for the rest of the year, and if they bring down the government based on the throne speech they will be voting against many (very) popular things for average Canadians.



the talk is Harper is supposed to go to the Governor General next week. which isnt against any law.



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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/GAM.20080816.COMARTIN16/TPStory/TPComment

 

Cry us a river, Tories, but who wrote the book on chaos?

lmartin@globeandmail.com

Oops. Maybe they forgot.

Last year, the governing Conservatives prepared a secret handbook on how to disrupt parliamentary committees and create chaos. No mere pamphlet, the book ran to 200 pages.

It instructed committee chairmen to select blatantly biased witnesses and tutor them in advance. It gave the chairmen pointers on how to obstruct parliamentary business, to storm out of meetings if necessary.

Team Harper never expected its opus to be made public. But the media got hold and the headlines poured forth - "Tories blasted for handbook on paralyzing Parliament" and the like.

Liberal Ralph Goodale noted how it was rather peculiar to see the government getting its knickers in a knot over a dysfunctional, chaotic Parliament when, in fact, "the government's deliberate plan is to cause a dysfunctional, chaotic Parliament."

We thought the Grits were bad, chimed in the New Democrat, Libby Davies. But these guys, she said, were taking the gutter stuff to a new level. "They've codified it."

The Prime Minister's Office had all the committee chairmen return their dirty-tricks texts. Given the Conservatives' red-handed embarrassment, it was expected that they might show a touch more temerity in the future.

Not these honchos. As was clear at the House of Commons ethics committee hearings this week on the so-called in-and-out scheme, their parliamentary chaos manual is alive and thriving. It's had yet another printing.

In committee, Conservative campaign director Doug Finley showed his version of contempt for the process, demanding that he, and only he, would dictate when he would testify. He finally had to be forcibly removed from the hearing room. For their part, Conservative MPs ignored summonses to testify.

Then the Prime Minister came forward in Newfoundland to say he might have to force an election because opposition-induced obstructionism was plaguing his governance. The Commons, the aggrieved PM declined to mention, was so full of barricades throughout the spring and early summer that it passed almost every piece of legislation that the Conservatives proffered.

Hypocrisy, of course, abounds in the nation's capital, all parties being guilty. But this week's hypocrisy moment may rank as one for the ages. The Conservatives wrote the handbook on obstructionism, they've followed it to the letter on many occasions, and they now come forward to proclaim that they are somehow the victims and that they may have no recourse but to go the polls.

They probably plotted the committee wrangle the week before. Team Harper wanted to set the timing of an election at its own choosing. A provocation was in order. It's summer. They likely figured that few were paying close attention, that their ploy would be taken seriously.

The opposition parties warrant their share of condemnation for their ethics committee comportment this week. The Liberals have their own history of bullying committees. Check out the Chrétien government's record. This week, however, they weren't quite down to the standards of the governing side.

All along, Team Harper has been quite faithful to its manipulation manual. We recall, among the many examples, the tricks they pulled to avoid being called to account on the censorship of documents regarding the Afghan detainees file. We recall Auditor-General Sheila Fraser saying they were out to gag officers of Parliament.

The in-and-out affair is not a heavyweight matter, but it is not one that looks good on the governing party. The Conservatives may be correct in saying the Liberals have also shifted campaign moneys around to their advantage. But, as Tories have admitted, they did more of it. And their deeds were being done in the middle of the 2006 campaign - a campaign in which they were repeatedly promising to clean up on the Liberal act.

Facing a slumping economy that is threatening to worsen, Stephen Harper appears to want an election badly - so badly that he'll dip into the hypocrisy pool on another count. The government has made a commitment - a good one - to having fixed election dates. It has repeatedly denounced a system under which a prime minister can set the date willy-nilly, at his own choosing. But now Mr. Harper seems set on doing that very thing.

There are good reasons for an election this fall. Everybody's patience has been tried long enough. But this week's show of flim-flam should not be allowed to be the trigger. It was crybaby stuff. If the Harper boys don't get their own way, they stamp their feet and start bawling at bad treatment from others and make big-time threats - forgetting all the while what they had put down in their own playbook.

If it were elementary school, the teacher would tell them to go stand in the corner.



I'm a mod, come to me if there's mod'n to do. 

Chrizum is the best thing to happen to the internet, Period.

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Expect an announcement on Tuesday.

I'm on the board of directors of one of the parties in my local riding, so I hate elections since it means I actually have to do the work I've committed to do for brownie points.



lol didn't the green party get its first mp today? some former tory, i think.

 

Edit: i wouldn't be surprised if one happen this winter, seems like all parties want one, but don't want to be the one to cause it.



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