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bigjon on 30 August 2008

he is recent and I have heard audio of him.

I mean Ceasar was good from what Ive read, but I can't seem to find any audio on him. Charismatic manipulation is usually a bad thing in the long run.

Think about, if Obama loses his vehement acolytes will try and split this country in 2. Most Mccain followers are not as extreme(they do exist) but it is not as widespead.



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The_vagabond7 on 30 August 2008

I'm not arguing the merits of whether or not charisma is a good or bad thing. I'm pointing out the insanity of the garbage spewed forth. Such as relating Obama to hitler.

 

And let me be clear on something, if this is making me seem pro obama, I'm not. This vestige of defense is just because the right wing seems to be out in force today, which is where I'm getting the ammo from at the moment. If the left wing was out, it would be the other way around.



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akuma587 on 30 August 2008
The_vagabond7 said:
In one topic somebody just proved the rule of the internet that states if a discussion goes on long enough somebody will be compared to a nazi. Barack Obama is now both the antichrist and Adolph Hitler apparently. It's insane. people just eat it up, puke it out, and then the media sees that it was eaten, scoops it up, and feeds it back to them.

Lol, absolutely true.  The Republicans and Democrats both spew misinformation, but I believe the absolute worst source of misinformation is the religious right.  Their stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

They paint Obama as a turban-wearing, baby-killing, gay-loving, abortion-performing monster.  The Muslim claims are by far the most ridiculous, since they aren't even grounded in fact.

Not to mention they distort every other issue they don't find appealing, like evolution, abortion, gay rights, and even civil rights (Yes, even the Catholic Church still treats women like second class citizens for some reason).

Get rid of the religious autocracy in this country, and the politcal debate would be smarter.  I am not saying it would be smart, but it would be smarter.

 

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 on 30 August 2008
bigjon said:
he is recent and I have heard audio of him.

I mean Ceasar was good from what Ive read, but I can't seem to find any audio on him. Charismatic manipulation is usually a bad thing in the long run.

Think about, if Obama loses his vehement acolytes will try and split this country in 2. Most Mccain followers are not as extreme(they do exist) but it is not as widespead.

Have you been to a Pentecostal or Evangelical church?  Can you tell me those people are not extremists with a straight face?

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

stof on 30 August 2008

*sees hitler comment in other thread*

"The only speaker I have ever heard of that could fool so many people into blindly following him is Adolf Hitler. Charismatic leaders are dangerous, people will follow them into anything (just look at Oprah, lol). Many of the cults are started by charismatic leaders (Guyana, Heaven's Gate, etc)

All this to say is that they mans career has consisted of nothing but making amazing rhetoric."

See Bigjon... You just lost any and all credibility right here. This is basically handing in your I can discuss important issues membership card and joining team asinine.



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bigjon on 30 August 2008

Yes Penecostals and Charismatics are extreme. They are manipulated by their leaders through a charismatic frenzy. Much like Obama does with his followers.

I think comparing Obama's campaign to a charimatic church is a good one. Blind devotion based on emotional overtones.



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The_vagabond7 on 30 August 2008
bigjon said:
Yes Penecostals and Charismatics are extreme. They are manipulated by their leaders through a charismatic frenzy. Much like Obama does with his followers.

I think comparing Obama's campaign to a charimatic church is a good one. Blind devotion based on emotional overtones.

 

And you're not any different. You just said in your other topic you vote based on how you feel about the candidate after watching them. How is that empirical? How is that about anything? So Obama didn't move you, but McCain did? And you're STILL just spouting the media's opinion. If it wasn't for the media's constantly reminding you of how charasmatic obama is, how great of a speaker he is, if they didn't play up the fervor he creates with his speeches, and opponents didn't attack him with the exact same things you are saying, you'd probably have a completely different problem with the democratic candidate.



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akuma587 on 30 August 2008
stof said:
*sees hitler comment in other thread*

"The only speaker I have ever heard of that could fool so many people into blindly following him is Adolf Hitler. Charismatic leaders are dangerous, people will follow them into anything (just look at Oprah, lol). Many of the cults are started by charismatic leaders (Guyana, Heaven's Gate, etc)

All this to say is that they mans career has consisted of nothing but making amazing rhetoric."

See Bigjon... You just lost any and all credibility right here. This is basically handing in your I can discuss important issues membership card and joining team asinine.

Man, Bigjon is taking a licking today.  I can count off the top of my head three people who claimed he was acting like an idiot.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

The_vagabond7 on 30 August 2008
stof said:
*sees hitler comment in other thread*

"The only speaker I have ever heard of that could fool so many people into blindly following him is Adolf Hitler. Charismatic leaders are dangerous, people will follow them into anything (just look at Oprah, lol). Many of the cults are started by charismatic leaders (Guyana, Heaven's Gate, etc)

All this to say is that they mans career has consisted of nothing but making amazing rhetoric."

See Bigjon... You just lost any and all credibility right here. This is basically handing in your I can discuss important issues membership card and joining team asinine.

lol, I actually laughed at that.

 



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akuma587 on 30 August 2008
bigjon said:
Yes Penecostals and Charismatics are extreme. They are manipulated by their leaders through a charismatic frenzy. Much like Obama does with his followers.

I think comparing Obama's campaign to a charimatic church is a good one. Blind devotion based on emotional overtones.

 

He's been brainwashed by Reverend Jermiah Wright too right?



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson