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Putin: US orchestrated conflict in Georgia

By STEVE GUTTERMAN, Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW - Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin accused the United States on Thursday of instigating the fighting in Georgia and said he suspects a connection to the U.S. presidential campaign — a contention the White House dismissed as "patently false."

In a decision he said was unrelated to unraveling Russia-U.S. ties, Putin ordered that 19 American poultry producers be barred from selling their products to Russia. He said the unnamed companies ignored demands that they correct alleged deficiencies.

Putin, the former president and architect of an assertive foreign policy that has stoked East-West tension, suggested in an interview with CNN that there was an American presence amid the combat with a potential domestic U.S. political motive.

"We have serious grounds to think that there were U.S. citizens right in the combat zone" during Russia's war with the U.S.-allied ex-Soviet republic, he said the interview broadcast on state-run Russian television. "And if that's so, if that is confirmed, it's very bad. It's very dangerous."

Putin's acid attack on the United States came as Moscow's bid to redraw Georgia's borders hit an obstacle among its Asian allies who refused to recognize the two Russian-backed breakaway regions of Georgia. France, meanwhile, said the European Union is considering sanctions against Russia for its conduct in the Caucasus.

Putin said that Russia had hoped the U.S. would restrain Georgia, which Moscow accuses of starting the war by attacking South Ossetia on Aug. 7. Instead, he suggested the U.S. encouraged the nation's leadership to try to rein in the separatist region by force.

"The American side in fact armed and trained the Georgian army," Putin said. "Why hold years of difficult talks and seek complex compromise solutions in interethnic conflicts? It's easier to arm one side and push it into the murder of the other side, and it's over.

"It seems like an easy solution. In reality it turns out that it's not always so," he said.

The United States has close ties with the Georgian government and has trained Georgian units. The Pentagon has said that the U.S. had about 130 trainers in Georgia when the fighting erupted earlier this month, including a few dozen civilians who were all working to prepare the Georgian forces for deployment to Iraq.

But Russian officials have made statements aimed to convey the idea that Americans may have directly supported Georgia's offensive.

At a briefing Tuesday, the deputy chief of Russian military general staff, Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, showed off a color copy of what he said was a U.S. passport found in a basement in a village in South Ossetia among items that belonged to Georgian forces.

"We found a passport for Michael Lee White," Nogovitsyn said. "He's a Texan."

The U.S. Embassy in Georgia said it had no information on the matter.

In an interview with France 24 to be aired Friday, Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said there were no American "commanders or even advisers" in the conflict zone. He said the conflict had nothing to do with the U.S., but "the aggression of the Russians."

Putin appeared to link claims of an American presence amid the combat with a potential domestic U.S. political motive.

"If my guesses are confirmed, then that raises the suspicion that somebody in the United States purposefully created this conflict with the aim of aggravating the situation and creating an advantage ... for one of the candidates in the battle for the post of U.S. president."

Putin did not name a party, a candidate or provide evidence to back his claims. But some pro-Kremlin Russian politicians have argued that U.S. Republicans hoped the Georgia fighting would stir support for their presidential candidate John McCain, a strong Kremlin critic who has tried to make security issues a strong suit.

White House press secretary Dana Perino called Putin's contentions "patently false." She said "it also sounds like his defense officials who said they believe this to be true are giving him really bad advice."

She added: "To suggest that the United States orchestrated this on behalf of a political candidate just sounds not rational."

Perino said Russia is facing the consequences of a diminished global reputation and that "there will be other" consequences as well. She refused to say what they would be and said there is no timetable.

The Russian leader maintained that the poultry decision was unrelated to the Georgia issue. He said that the 19 producers ignored the demands to correct the problems following inspections. He said another 29 producers would receive warnings.

"We try and keep our industry out of politics and into marketing opportunities, but sometimes it's very difficult to separate the two," said Jim Sumner, president of the U.S.A. Poultry & Egg Export Council. He said Russia is a major market for American producers.

U.S. producers supply nearly 75 percent of the total poultry import quota set by Russia, which stands at 1.2 million tons. Russia represented the largest export market for chicken broilers made by U.S. producers in the first half of this year, Sumner said.

Sumner said he expected the alleged plant deficiencies to be corrected within weeks or a few months and said the stoppage would not have a major impact on U.S. producers.

Russia is an important market for many poultry producers, including the nation's largest chicken producer, Pilgrim's Pride Inc., as well as Sanderson Farms Inc. and Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest meat company.

Shares of many meat producers, including top hog producer Smithfield Foods Inc., tumbled Thursday on worries about potential cuts by Russia.

"At this point if Russia were to walk back from certain agreements they have made, it would clearly delay any future aspirations they have of joining the World Trade Organization," said Sean Spicer, spokesman for U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab.

In Tajikistan, China and four Central Asian nations criticized the West, but wary of separatists at home, they stopped short of heeding Russia's call to recognize the breakaway Georgia regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Moscow had appealed to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization — whose members are Russia, China, and four Central Asian countries of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan — for unanimous support of Moscow's response to Georgia's "aggression."

Alexei Malashenko, an analyst at the Carnegie Moscow Center, said the summit highlighted Russia's isolation.

"The Soviet Union was not so alone even in 1968," he said on Ekho Moskvy radio, referring to the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia.

Western leaders have added condemnation of Russian recognition to their accusations that Moscow used disproportionate force in its Georgia offensive and has fallen far short of its withdrawal commitments under an EU cease-fire deal.

The EU is "trying to draw up a strong text signifying our unwillingness to accept" Russia's stance, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said Thursday. "Sanctions are being considered ... and many other means as well," Kouchner said.

The Foreign Ministry said later that France was not behind a sanctions proposal.

 



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Yeah, i read that one... I don't even know where he was going with that.



It's the absolute truth, every other major news source around the world was talking about how georgia went in to south ossetia first and also was killing Russian peace keeping troops before Russia retaliated. Just the bs propaganda of American news has people believe that it was the opposite.



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
It's the absolute truth, every other major news source around the world was talking about how georgia went in to south ossetia first and also was killing Russian peace keeping troops before Russia retaliated. Just the bs propaganda of American news has people believe that it was the opposite.

 

not really.. most I have seen is Georgia wanted to expand their rule so wtf are you talking about?

The USA part telling Georgia just sounds like Puton is going batty.



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I knew this was coming...but I didn't expect it to come from Russia per se..

---also, wow, someone actually believes this?



I am no Bush or McCain lover, I do not think this is the case.

I think that Bush believes that encouraging Georgia to ignore it's agreements with Russia is a good idea.

I do not agree.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

epsilon72 said:

someone actually believes this?

If you tell a tale to a million people and one of them believes you, you have succeeded.

 



ssj12 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
It's the absolute truth, every other major news source around the world was talking about how georgia went in to south ossetia first and also was killing Russian peace keeping troops before Russia retaliated. Just the bs propaganda of American news has people believe that it was the opposite.

 

not really.. most I have seen is Georgia wanted to expand their rule so wtf are you talking about?

The USA part telling Georgia just sounds like Puton is going batty.

 

 WTF am I talking about?? You must watch way too much cnn or fox news. The only way of getting "REAL" news these days is from the independent press. Not the American Mainstream b.s Hell even in the Isralie newspapers they were admitting involvement. Jesus,lol. YOu want a good source that provides references, check out prisonplanet.com or americanfreepress.net, there are many others as well.



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ssj12 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
It's the absolute truth, every other major news source around the world was talking about how georgia went in to south ossetia first and also was killing Russian peace keeping troops before Russia retaliated. Just the bs propaganda of American news has people believe that it was the opposite.

 

not really.. most I have seen is Georgia wanted to expand their rule so wtf are you talking about?

The USA part telling Georgia just sounds like Puton is going batty.

 

Which isn't even true because the Russians/Ossetians broke the treaty first by using 180 MM guns.

Which the Media isn't covering.  Not even the American Media.  Ask the local news sources.   All independent news sources support Georgia in this regardless.

Every news source just mentions and admits that the Russians baited them into the attack in the first place do to the shelling of georigan villiages and people.

That and the only reason the Ossetians want to be free is due to Russia's policy of promoting racism... since Ossetians and Georgians got along perfectly before Russia got there.

Ask the worlds biggest expert in the area... who was there when it happened.

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php