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Yakuzaice on 28 August 2008
disolitude said:
Yakuzaice said:
disolitude said:
Sony sells less software then microsoft this gen. Also, they spend more on hardware than microsoft. If Sony is making money off videogames that cover the hardware expenses, Microsoft is laughing to the bank right about now.

Sony also has a lot more first party development which they get a bigger cut from.

I disagree...everyone is talking about high development costs. I don't think developing these games makes sony much more money. Besides, what games have they published this year thus far? Nintendo is publishing mostly all of their hits...but both Sony and Microsoft are dependant on 3rd party publishers for revenue.

GT5:P, HSG5, Singstar, MLB 08, Siren, Buzz, as well as a number of PSN games.  Not to mention continued sales of Uncharted, Resistance, Ratchet and Clank, Motorstorm etc.



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Zuhyc on 28 August 2008

I already posted this in another topic but it got closed (why?)

We are already making more money with the games than we are losing with the hardware

-> hardware includes PS3, PS2 and PSP.
-> software includes PS3, PS2 and PSP games.

They loose more on the PS3 hardware than they do on 'hardware' (PS2+PSP hardware profits - PS3 losses). Add the profit from PS2, PSP and PS3 games and they have a small profit as you could see in the results of last quarter.



disolitude on 28 August 2008
Diomedes1976 said:
disolitude said:
Sony sells less software then microsoft this gen. Also, they spend more on hardware than microsoft. If Sony is making money off videogames that cover the hardware expenses, Microsoft is laughing to the bank right about now.

 

 How do you know Sony sells less software ?

If we go by VG chartz we get the following numbers for the last year -

Microsoft -

1  Halo 3  Microsoft 8.16m
2  Lost Odyssey  Microsoft 0.80m  
3  Mass Effect  Microsoft 1.98m 
4  Ninja Gaiden 2  Microsoft 0.67m 
5  Forza Motorsport 2  Microsoft 3.99m 
6  Project Gotham Racing 4  Microsoft 1.02m

 

Sony -

1  Uncharted: Drakes Fortune  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.73m
2  Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.28m
3  Gran Turismo 5 Prologue  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.97m
4  Heavenly Sword  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.15m
5  Folklore  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.19m
6  Lair  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.34m
7  MLB 08: The Show  Sony Computer Entertainment  0.48m
8  Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.64m
9  Siren: New Translation  Sony Computer Entertainme 0.07m

10  NBA 08  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.07m

Add them up and you will see which has higher numbers. My math comes to 16 + mil for microsoft compared to 8+ mil for Sony.

 Also this is not counting the xbox live revenue where games sell by the boat loads and microsoft gets 70% of that revenue. I'm pretty positive Xbox live sells more games than PSN...anyone feel like arguing that?



FishyJoe on 28 August 2008
Beja-Beja said:
FishyJoe said:

"The major difference lies in the fact that Nintendo makes money with the hardware alone"

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Mario waves hi!

 

 Fishy didnt you check the response to the exact same comment on the new article. Spin City population you. He obviously means that Nintendo makes money on the hardware alone in addition to their software whereas Sony needs to make ps3 money via software.

 

Ok, I was wrong. It was an honest mistake as I misread it. I wasn't trying to spin anything, but I made a mistake.



Yakuzaice on 28 August 2008
disolitude said:
Diomedes1976 said:
disolitude said:
Sony sells less software then microsoft this gen. Also, they spend more on hardware than microsoft. If Sony is making money off videogames that cover the hardware expenses, Microsoft is laughing to the bank right about now.

 

 How do you know Sony sells less software ?

If we go by VG chartz we get the following numbers for the last year -

Microsoft -

1  Halo 3  Microsoft 8.16m
2  Lost Odyssey  Microsoft 0.80m  
3  Mass Effect  Microsoft 1.98m 
4  Ninja Gaiden 2  Microsoft 0.67m 
5  Forza Motorsport 2  Microsoft 3.99m 
6  Project Gotham Racing 4  Microsoft 1.02m

 

Sony -

1  Uncharted: Drakes Fortune  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.73m
2  Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.28m
3  Gran Turismo 5 Prologue  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.97m
4  Heavenly Sword  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.15m
5  Folklore  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.19m
6  Lair  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.34m
7  MLB 08: The Show  Sony Computer Entertainment  0.48m
8  Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.64m
9  Siren: New Translation  Sony Computer Entertainme 0.07m

10  NBA 08  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.07m

Add them up and you will see which has higher numbers. My math comes to 16 + mil for microsoft compared to 8+ mil for Sony.

 Also this is not counting the xbox live revenue where games sell by the boat loads and microsoft gets 70% of that revenue. I'm pretty positive Xbox live sells more games than PSN...anyone feel like arguing that?

Err...what dates are you using?  There are some other more recent games like Singstar, Warhawk, and Buzz that you left out.



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Diomedes1976 on 28 August 2008
disolitude said:
Diomedes1976 said:
disolitude said:
Sony sells less software then microsoft this gen. Also, they spend more on hardware than microsoft. If Sony is making money off videogames that cover the hardware expenses, Microsoft is laughing to the bank right about now.

 

 How do you know Sony sells less software ?

If we go by VG chartz we get the following numbers for the last year -

Microsoft -

1  Halo 3  Microsoft 8.16m
2  Lost Odyssey  Microsoft 0.80m  
3  Mass Effect  Microsoft 1.98m 
4  Ninja Gaiden 2  Microsoft 0.67m 
5  Forza Motorsport 2  Microsoft 3.99m 
6  Project Gotham Racing 4  Microsoft 1.02m

 

Sony -

1  Uncharted: Drakes Fortune  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.73m
2  Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.28m
3  Gran Turismo 5 Prologue  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.97m
4  Heavenly Sword  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.15m
5  Folklore  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.19m
6  Lair  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.34m
7  MLB 08: The Show  Sony Computer Entertainment  0.48m
8  Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.64m
9  Siren: New Translation  Sony Computer Entertainme 0.07m

10  NBA 08  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.07m

Add them up and you will see which has higher numbers. My math comes to 16 + mil for microsoft compared to 8+ mil for Sony.

 Also this is not counting the xbox live revenue where games sell by the boat loads and microsoft gets 70% of that revenue. I'm pretty positive Xbox live sells more games than PSN...anyone feel like arguing that?

Oh ,now I see.If we go after the estimations of an amateur page whose PAL data is after itself "very incomplete" ,we dont even count some PS3 games as Singstar who has sold lots in Europe ,Eye of Judgement ,Motorstorm ,Resistence ,we ignore the fact that there is as many PSN accounts as Live accounts right now and just assume without any backing that  Live sells way more because some magic MS fanboys properties  ,we throw inside the MS software numbers bundled games as FM2 and PGR4 and we dont even take in count the royalties for third party software (with some publishers already having the PS3 as their main income source )....THEN its clear MS sells more software.Try a bit harder please.

 



disolitude on 28 August 2008
Yakuzaice said:
disolitude said:
Diomedes1976 said:
disolitude said:
Sony sells less software then microsoft this gen. Also, they spend more on hardware than microsoft. If Sony is making money off videogames that cover the hardware expenses, Microsoft is laughing to the bank right about now.

 

 How do you know Sony sells less software ?

If we go by VG chartz we get the following numbers for the last year -

Microsoft -

1  Halo 3  Microsoft 8.16m
2  Lost Odyssey  Microsoft 0.80m  
3  Mass Effect  Microsoft 1.98m 
4  Ninja Gaiden 2  Microsoft 0.67m 
5  Forza Motorsport 2  Microsoft 3.99m 
6  Project Gotham Racing 4  Microsoft 1.02m

 

Sony -

1  Uncharted: Drakes Fortune  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.73m
2  Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.28m
3  Gran Turismo 5 Prologue  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.97m
4  Heavenly Sword  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.15m
5  Folklore  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.19m
6  Lair  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.34m
7  MLB 08: The Show  Sony Computer Entertainment  0.48m
8  Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.64m
9  Siren: New Translation  Sony Computer Entertainme 0.07m

10  NBA 08  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.07m

Add them up and you will see which has higher numbers. My math comes to 16 + mil for microsoft compared to 8+ mil for Sony.

 Also this is not counting the xbox live revenue where games sell by the boat loads and microsoft gets 70% of that revenue. I'm pretty positive Xbox live sells more games than PSN...anyone feel like arguing that?

Err...what dates are you using?  There are some other more recent games like Singstar, Warhawk, and Buzz that you left out.

 

 Last year. I wasn't sure when nba 08 came out hence why i added it last as you can see...Warhawk and motostorm were early 2007 while resistance was 2006.

Trust me, no matter how far back you go, sony published PS3 titles do not outsell 360 titles published by microsoft. All sony has for PS3 is high development cost. Keep in mind im jsut trying to say that the topic is wrong. Sony does sell more software than microsoft. Sony published PS2 + PSP + PS3 titles...sure.



disolitude on 28 August 2008
Diomedes1976 said:
disolitude said:
Diomedes1976 said:
disolitude said:
Sony sells less software then microsoft this gen. Also, they spend more on hardware than microsoft. If Sony is making money off videogames that cover the hardware expenses, Microsoft is laughing to the bank right about now.

 

 How do you know Sony sells less software ?

If we go by VG chartz we get the following numbers for the last year -

Microsoft -

1  Halo 3  Microsoft 8.16m
2  Lost Odyssey  Microsoft 0.80m  
3  Mass Effect  Microsoft 1.98m 
4  Ninja Gaiden 2  Microsoft 0.67m 
5  Forza Motorsport 2  Microsoft 3.99m 
6  Project Gotham Racing 4  Microsoft 1.02m

 

Sony -

1  Uncharted: Drakes Fortune  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.73m
2  Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.28m
3  Gran Turismo 5 Prologue  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.97m
4  Heavenly Sword  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.15m
5  Folklore  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.19m
6  Lair  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.34m
7  MLB 08: The Show  Sony Computer Entertainment  0.48m
8  Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.64m
9  Siren: New Translation  Sony Computer Entertainme 0.07m

10  NBA 08  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.07m

Add them up and you will see which has higher numbers. My math comes to 16 + mil for microsoft compared to 8+ mil for Sony.

 Also this is not counting the xbox live revenue where games sell by the boat loads and microsoft gets 70% of that revenue. I'm pretty positive Xbox live sells more games than PSN...anyone feel like arguing that?

Oh ,now I see.If we go after the estimations of an amateur page whose PAL data is after itself "very incomplete" ,we dont even count some PS3 games as Singstar who has sold lots in Europe ,Eye of Judgement ,Motorstorm ,Resistence ,we ignore the fact that there is as many PSN accounts as Live accounts right now and just assume without any backing that  Live sells way more because some magic MS fanboys properties  ,we throw inside the MS software numbers bundled games as FM2 and PGR4 and we dont even take in count the royalties for third party software (with some publishers already having the PS3 as their main income source )....THEN its clear MS sells more software.Try a bit harder please.

 

I make such a nice paragraph outlining things and you reply like that? How about you try a little bit harder... and provide some proof instead of crying foul.

 



Ail on 28 August 2008
disolitude said:
Yakuzaice said:
disolitude said:
Diomedes1976 said:
disolitude said:
Sony sells less software then microsoft this gen. Also, they spend more on hardware than microsoft. If Sony is making money off videogames that cover the hardware expenses, Microsoft is laughing to the bank right about now.

 

 How do you know Sony sells less software ?

If we go by VG chartz we get the following numbers for the last year -

Microsoft -

1  Halo 3  Microsoft 8.16m
2  Lost Odyssey  Microsoft 0.80m  
3  Mass Effect  Microsoft 1.98m 
4  Ninja Gaiden 2  Microsoft 0.67m 
5  Forza Motorsport 2  Microsoft 3.99m 
6  Project Gotham Racing 4  Microsoft 1.02m

 

Sony -

1  Uncharted: Drakes Fortune  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.73m
2  Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.28m
3  Gran Turismo 5 Prologue  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.97m
4  Heavenly Sword  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.15m
5  Folklore  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.19m
6  Lair  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.34m
7  MLB 08: The Show  Sony Computer Entertainment  0.48m
8  Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.64m
9  Siren: New Translation  Sony Computer Entertainme 0.07m

10  NBA 08  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.07m

Add them up and you will see which has higher numbers. My math comes to 16 + mil for microsoft compared to 8+ mil for Sony.

 Also this is not counting the xbox live revenue where games sell by the boat loads and microsoft gets 70% of that revenue. I'm pretty positive Xbox live sells more games than PSN...anyone feel like arguing that?

Err...what dates are you using?  There are some other more recent games like Singstar, Warhawk, and Buzz that you left out.

 

 Last year. I wasn't sure when nba 08 came out hence why i added it last as you can see...Warhawk and motostorm were early 2007 while resistance was 2006.

Trust me, no matter how far back you go, sony published PS3 titles do not outsell 360 titles published by microsoft. All sony has for PS3 is high development cost. Keep in mind im jsut trying to say that the topic is wrong. Sony does sell more software than microsoft. Sony published PS2 + PSP + PS3 titles...sure.

Published <> developed by...

Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, NG2 were not developed by MS studios and resulted in much lower profit per copy sold than lets say Uncharted....

And when Microsoft is publishing third party titles as exclusives you really have to wonder if they take the usual publisher cut or agreed to lower it to have the title go exclusives...

 

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Yakuzaice on 28 August 2008
disolitude said:
Yakuzaice said:
disolitude said:
Diomedes1976 said:
disolitude said:
Sony sells less software then microsoft this gen. Also, they spend more on hardware than microsoft. If Sony is making money off videogames that cover the hardware expenses, Microsoft is laughing to the bank right about now.

 

 How do you know Sony sells less software ?

If we go by VG chartz we get the following numbers for the last year -

Microsoft -

1  Halo 3  Microsoft 8.16m
2  Lost Odyssey  Microsoft 0.80m  
3  Mass Effect  Microsoft 1.98m 
4  Ninja Gaiden 2  Microsoft 0.67m 
5  Forza Motorsport 2  Microsoft 3.99m 
6  Project Gotham Racing 4  Microsoft 1.02m

 

Sony -

1  Uncharted: Drakes Fortune  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.73m
2  Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.28m
3  Gran Turismo 5 Prologue  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.97m
4  Heavenly Sword  Sony Computer Entertainment 1.15m
5  Folklore  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.19m
6  Lair  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.34m
7  MLB 08: The Show  Sony Computer Entertainment  0.48m
8  Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.64m
9  Siren: New Translation  Sony Computer Entertainme 0.07m

10  NBA 08  Sony Computer Entertainment 0.07m

Add them up and you will see which has higher numbers. My math comes to 16 + mil for microsoft compared to 8+ mil for Sony.

 Also this is not counting the xbox live revenue where games sell by the boat loads and microsoft gets 70% of that revenue. I'm pretty positive Xbox live sells more games than PSN...anyone feel like arguing that?

Err...what dates are you using?  There are some other more recent games like Singstar, Warhawk, and Buzz that you left out.

 

 Last year. I wasn't sure when nba 08 came out hence why i added it last as you can see...Warhawk and motostorm were early 2007 while resistance was 2006.

Trust me, no matter how far back you go, sony published PS3 titles do not outsell 360 titles published by microsoft. All sony has for PS3 is high development cost. Keep in mind im jsut trying to say that the topic is wrong. Sony does sell more software than microsoft. Sony published PS2 + PSP + PS3 titles...sure.

Last 12 months or 2007?  Because your list doesn't fit in either.  Warhawk came out in August 2007.  And you still left out titles such as Singstar and Buzz.  Not to mention some games don't even have Others numbers.