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senseinobaka on 28 August 2008
Profcrab said:
I'm lean closer to Libertarian than Republican. I liked the Republican party more when Newt Gingrich was leading the charge to reduce government spending.

I believe government should handle less than it does. I don't believe the government has the right to censor broadcast television or radio (the signals crossing state lines argument is bullshit). Government should in not be involved with what people do in their own homes (I'm not talking about violent crimes like abuse here). Drug legislation should shift from banning drugs to strictly enforcing laws with regards to negligence while under the influence and I believe health insurance should have the right to charge recreational drug users higher rates and deny coverage to those that don't purchase the extra coverage. Basically, do what drugs you want, but you better have cash if you need treatment for them because no one else should have to pay it for you.

I believe marriage should be deinstitutionalized. Gender concerns should not play into it. There should be no tax benefits for being married. I think that there should be no laws regarding property in marriage. People who want to get married choose which contract they wish to sign. If that contract involves the sharing of assets, then so be it. I believe all tax credits that go with people having kids should be removed. Other countries may have problems with their birth rates, but we don't here. The government doesn't need to reward people for having kids. It unfairly shifts the tax burden to those that don't. The only thing that people should pay for, with property taxes, that affects kids is education and that is only because better educated people contribute more to the economy.

I believe that personal income taxes should be abolished. Taxes should shift to the sale of goods and services. The more you buy, the more taxes you pay. Simple enough I think. No one can argue that someone is being taxed more than anyone else. No one would have to go to jail for tax evasion anymore. The IRS can shift to enforcing the collection of sales tax.

I believe we should aggressively fix our trade imbalance with other nations. Many countries like China are walking away with too much of our money. We are essentially selling them our country.

I give this thread a 9.5.

All the concerns in the 2nd paragraph are fixed in your 3rd paragraph. I like how you did that. Have you ever read about the Fair Tax?

 



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senseinobaka on 28 August 2008

if you cant answer the OP's question here's a really short quiz.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html



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Lolcislaw on 28 August 2008
SamuelRSmith said:
Lolcislaw said:
Health list, haha Good Seing Poland at number 50 , i did not know people rate our Health system so high. But i think 18 for Uk is to high.

On what grounds?

 

Well NHS does not work properly: waiting lists are way too long,  those bugs in hospitals are pisstakes, public dentistry ,My Local Hospital (nortwick park) is one of the worst in the country to name a few. Plus NHS overall is too big and brings to many loses.

 



SamuelRSmith on 28 August 2008
Lolcislaw said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Lolcislaw said:
Health list, haha Good Seing Poland at number 50 , i did not know people rate our Health system so high. But i think 18 for Uk is to high.

On what grounds?

 

Well NHS does not work properly: waiting lists are way too long,  those bugs in hospitals are pisstakes, public dentistry ,My Local Hospital (nortwick park) is one of the worst in the country to name a few. Plus NHS overall is too big and brings to many loses.

 

 

 Waiting lists are dependant on the serioussness of your illness. Those bugs in hospitals are not a problem anymore. What's wrong with public dentristy?

Are you talking economical loses, or something else?



Profcrab on 28 August 2008
senseinobaka said:
Profcrab said:
I'm lean closer to Libertarian than Republican. I liked the Republican party more when Newt Gingrich was leading the charge to reduce government spending.

I believe government should handle less than it does. I don't believe the government has the right to censor broadcast television or radio (the signals crossing state lines argument is bullshit). Government should in not be involved with what people do in their own homes (I'm not talking about violent crimes like abuse here). Drug legislation should shift from banning drugs to strictly enforcing laws with regards to negligence while under the influence and I believe health insurance should have the right to charge recreational drug users higher rates and deny coverage to those that don't purchase the extra coverage. Basically, do what drugs you want, but you better have cash if you need treatment for them because no one else should have to pay it for you.

I believe marriage should be deinstitutionalized. Gender concerns should not play into it. There should be no tax benefits for being married. I think that there should be no laws regarding property in marriage. People who want to get married choose which contract they wish to sign. If that contract involves the sharing of assets, then so be it. I believe all tax credits that go with people having kids should be removed. Other countries may have problems with their birth rates, but we don't here. The government doesn't need to reward people for having kids. It unfairly shifts the tax burden to those that don't. The only thing that people should pay for, with property taxes, that affects kids is education and that is only because better educated people contribute more to the economy.

I believe that personal income taxes should be abolished. Taxes should shift to the sale of goods and services. The more you buy, the more taxes you pay. Simple enough I think. No one can argue that someone is being taxed more than anyone else. No one would have to go to jail for tax evasion anymore. The IRS can shift to enforcing the collection of sales tax.

I believe we should aggressively fix our trade imbalance with other nations. Many countries like China are walking away with too much of our money. We are essentially selling them our country.

I give this thread a 9.5.

All the concerns in the 2nd paragraph are fixed in your 3rd paragraph. I like how you did that. Have you ever read about the Fair Tax?

 

 

Yep, I know that the national sales tax has been pushed before.  I like that the sales tax would fix problems associated with those that find loopholes in current tax legislation and tax illegal immigrants like everyone else.  I also agree with most proponnents that it will increase investment.

I give that post a 9.7.



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akuma587 on 28 August 2008
senseinobaka said:

that report is more than 10 years old. and doesnt show what datapoints they are grading their assesment on.

also, we need to have a VGchartz Political Convention and nominate Rocketpig as our offical candidate. LOL

Then how about you show us some actual information to validate your claims or invalidate our claims?  Just saying something doesn't make it true.

I bet any study you would look at now would say that the U.S. is even LOWER on that list than it is now.

 



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rocketpig on 28 August 2008
akuma587 said:
senseinobaka said:

that report is more than 10 years old. and doesnt show what datapoints they are grading their assesment on.

also, we need to have a VGchartz Political Convention and nominate Rocketpig as our offical candidate. LOL

Then how about you show us some actual information to validate your claims or invalidate our claims?  Just saying something doesn't make it true.

I bet any study you would look at now would say that the U.S. is even LOWER on that list than it is now.

 

I disagree. 

 




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akuma587 on 28 August 2008
rocketpig said:
akuma587 said:
senseinobaka said:

that report is more than 10 years old. and doesnt show what datapoints they are grading their assesment on.

also, we need to have a VGchartz Political Convention and nominate Rocketpig as our offical candidate. LOL

Then how about you show us some actual information to validate your claims or invalidate our claims?  Just saying something doesn't make it true.

I bet any study you would look at now would say that the U.S. is even LOWER on that list than it is now.

 

I disagree. 

 

Rats!  You found my only weakness!

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

senseinobaka on 29 August 2008
akuma587 said:
senseinobaka said:

that report is more than 10 years old. and doesnt show what datapoints they are grading their assesment on.

also, we need to have a VGchartz Political Convention and nominate Rocketpig as our offical candidate. LOL

Then how about you show us some actual information to validate your claims or invalidate our claims?  Just saying something doesn't make it true.

I bet any study you would look at now would say that the U.S. is even LOWER on that list than it is now.

 

I do not gave access to any research done recently. I was just commenting that this paticular report is 1)outdated and 2)vague on details.

If I read a published research paper I expect to be able to see how the study was done, what the primary data points were, the control, the end points, and the statistical methodology, etc etc. Without that the report means nothing.

 



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Jackson50 on 29 August 2008
Lolcislaw said:
I always considered myself Libertarian, there are no trully Libertarian mainstream parties in Poland (there is Union of Reality Politics but they are bunch of freaks), but i tend to vote for the Pro Market, right wing party (Civic Platform)
Same scenario in the Uk i do support the Tories (hate cameron thou)

Problem is in todays world there is not much place for Libertarianism, because general public in the western well is mostly supportive for Centre-Right approach with Goverment spendings.


Health list, haha Good Seing Poland at number 50 , i did not know people rate our Health system so high. But i think 18 for Uk is to high.

This is something I have noticed in this thread and with the general populace, and that is the confusion between "Libertarian" and "libertarian." There is a distinct difference between "Libertarian" and "libertarian." The dichotomy between the two is that "libertarian" refers to the political ideology whilst "Libertarian" refers to the specific party. Therefore, there is no "Libertarianism."