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ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

No.  He means Kennedy's genocide in Iraq.  Where he gave the Baath party...(Sadam hussein's party) a list that let them kill anyone who was suspected to be a communist or even somewhat left wing. 

 

That is horrible.  And no I did not know that it was JFK.  Both the Soviet Union and America were funding these dictatorship regimes at this time though, which is relevant when we grade a president's legacy.  I was not as familiar with America's role in Iraq as I was in other, more known places and incidents, like Chile.

George Washington believed in slavery.  Abraham Lincoln believed that women shouldn't vote.  Even though these were horrible opinions, we dont hold this against these people because of the times.

 

America was directly responsible for the modern day contries of Iran and Iraq.  Iran was Eisenhower and Iraq was Kennedy.  You want to read about some fucked up dealings, read about the history of our involvement in the Middle East.  I had a political science instructor that was Syrian/Lebanese (and an athiest, figure that out) who's specialty was Middle Eastern history and politics.  One of the most interesting classes I ever took.

I give that post a 9.3.



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Thats an unfounded argument, you could pretty much say the same thing about anything.



ManusJustus said:

Thats an unfounded argument, you could pretty much say the same thing about anything.

 

Well, considering you extolled the virtues of a president whom you hadn't even researched, I think you actually proved his point.

I give that post a 9.2.



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Kasz216 said:

A doctorite degree?  In US political science?

 

 Is that what you have?  Congrats.



Profcrab said: 

Well, considering you extolled the virtues of a president whom you hadn't even researched, I think you actually proved his point.

I give that post a 9.2.

 

Researched extensively, just not concerning his policies in Iraq.  There are over 200 other countries that he had policies of as well.  I think you will find it impossible to know everything about everyone.

I give that post a 5.4 :)



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ManusJustus said:

Thats an unfounded argument, you could pretty much say the same thing about anything.


What's unfounded?  It's obvious you pretty much don't know what your talking about when talking about the greatest US presidents if you'd rank Kennedy in contention of top 5.

Kennedy's highest ranking among scholars ever is 8.

The top 5 are always the same.

Washington, Lincon, Roosevelt, Jefferson and Roosevelt.

Everyone else is just way below.

There is a reason the first 4 are on a mountain.

It's not even considered debating in the US.  A political science teacher or shcolar would laugh at the contention that Kennedy was anywhere near those.



ManusJustus said:
Profcrab said: 

Well, considering you extolled the virtues of a president whom you hadn't even researched, I think you actually proved his point.

I give that post a 9.2.

 

Researched extensively, just not concerning his policies in Iraq.  There are over 200 other countries that he had policies of as well.  I think you will find it impossible to know everything about everyone.

I give that post a 5.4 :)

 

Policies?  He was president for under 3 years.  How on earth to you not stumble across one of his major legacies as a president?

I give that post a 9.1.



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Kasz216 said:

What's unfounded?  It's obvious you pretty much don't know what your talking about when talking about the greatest US presidents if you'd rank Kennedy in contention of top 5.

Kennedy's highest ranking among scholars ever is 8.

 

I stated that Kennedy was one of the best.  I loooked back and saw that typed Lincoln and Kennedy were best American presidents, something that was more of an incomplete thought than a believed fact.  To clear it up, JFk is one of America's best presidents.  Depending how you define best, that would put him in the top 10 or so based on my opinion.

Thats not to mention that these rankings are nothing more than opinions.  Look at any sportswriter power rankings for proof of that.  A writer has the Miami Dolphins ranked at 25 on ESPN.com?  They obviously aren't a proffessional sportwriter and should be subject to ridicule and loss of job.  If the dean's office knew that Dr. Barry B. Smith rated JFk as number 6 president of all time he's obviosly not an expert and should lose his job.  Ive gone to far.

More importantly, the fact that you reverted the argument back to something I said a long time ago, which in fact we were not arguing about initially, shows the weakness of the very reason we were arguing in the first place, the Cuban Missile Crisis.  Do I get a win there and you get a win for my ranking system opinion?



Best choice considering Obama and company would do a liberal+"the Real Romney" ad if he was chosen. Next stop for pork--the firing squad then billions more for the US.



halogamer1989 said:
Best choice considering Obama and company would do a liberal+"the Real Romney" ad if he was chosen. Next stop for pork--the firing squad then billions more for the US.

Have any idea how much the Iraq War costs?  Its thousands of dollars from every American.  I cant imagine how much staying there for 100 years would cost, you have to factor in inflation and all sorts of things.

And concerning pork, isnt she from the same Republican state with such great ideas as the Bridge to Nowhere?