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Sqrl said:
akuma587 said:
Sqrl said:

 

Uhm, I don't really think its a battle for who was the most impoverished for the longest.  The point is that right here and now they are both wealthy, they both have entourages, they both have body guards, they both have political power, and they both have a massive following of media watching their every move. 

They simply do not lead anywhere near the day to day life that the average American does and in that situation so far removed from normalcy you cannot help but be out of touch 

 

Well, I don't know about you, but I think most people can relate to a self-starter (Obama) more than someone who never had to worry about money for the majority of his life (McCain).  Just because every politician is out of touch doesn't mean that some aren't MORE out of touch.

 

 

As far as I know they both married into money so I'm not sure what you mean. 

McCain had his family connections in the Navy sure, but they weren't exactly rolling in the cash from what I've seen.  In fact Cindy had to bring something like 150k out of her trust fund to fund McCain's first congressional run.  Without that he likely would have never been a name any of us were talking about.

Fat lot of good those did him. All he got from that was one stay at a Hilton (albeit the one in Hanoi and a quite lengthy stay at that).

 




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Lolcislaw said:
Politicians in every country, and in every state are out of touch with people, they have the power, the wealth, connections so i don't know how anyone can see Obama as an outsider or a revolutionary in that sense.

Plus whats wrong with owning loads of properties?

Its a problem when you act like your opponent is an elitist.

 



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luinil said:
Lolcislaw said:

Plus whats wrong with owning loads of properties?

 

Nothing. That is a big problem for this argument. Obama is criticizing a man for owning too much stuff. So when should we start regulating how many houses a person can own? It is a principle element of freedom to own property. Criticizing the ownership of property (in a non-monopolistic setting) is foolish. Obama tippied his hand, he wants to tax everybody into equality, like a Communist Government tries to. Only problem with that is somebody is always above others. It is either due to Political Favors/Connections or Hard Work. I prefer Hard Work.

/rant

 

 HARD WORK!!?!??? You know that's bull. No one gets ahead by working hard. Infact, it's well known that CEOs get payed Millions per annum just to sit behind a desk playing pop cap for 20 hours a week.



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senseinobaka said:

 HARD WORK!!?!??? You know that's bull. No one gets ahead by working hard. Infact, it's well known that CEOs get payed Millions per annum just to sit behind a desk playing pop cap for 20 hours a week.

 

But. But. They are hardcore games!



akuma587 said:
Lolcislaw said:
Politicians in every country, and in every state are out of touch with people, they have the power, the wealth, connections so i don't know how anyone can see Obama as an outsider or a revolutionary in that sense.

Plus whats wrong with owning loads of properties?

Its a problem when you act like your opponent is an elitist.

 

Being an elitist doesn't have any connection to how much money you have.

The most elistist pricks you'll ever meet are broke college students enrolled in political science/sociology classes hanging out at a cafe.



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Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Lolcislaw said:
Politicians in every country, and in every state are out of touch with people, they have the power, the wealth, connections so i don't know how anyone can see Obama as an outsider or a revolutionary in that sense.

Plus whats wrong with owning loads of properties?

Its a problem when you act like your opponent is an elitist.

 

Being an elitist doesn't have any connection to how much money you have.

The most elistist pricks you'll ever meet are broke college students enrolled in political science/sociology classes hanging out at a cafe.

*ahem*

I would like to announce the winnar of this thread.

Without contest it is Kasz216.

*applause*

 



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luinil said:
Lolcislaw said:

Plus whats wrong with owning loads of properties?

 

Nothing. That is a big problem for this argument. Obama is criticizing a man for owning too much stuff. So when should we start regulating how many houses a person can own? It is a principle element of freedom to own property. Criticizing the ownership of property (in a non-monopolistic setting) is foolish. Obama tippied his hand, he wants to tax everybody into equality, like a Communist Government tries to. Only problem with that is somebody is always above others. It is either due to Political Favors/Connections or Hard Work. I prefer Hard Work.

/rant

I don't remember the name of the book, but it was about farm animals and it reminded me of the line, "All animals are equal, some are more equal than others."



cwbys21 said:
luinil said:
Lolcislaw said:

Plus whats wrong with owning loads of properties?

 

Nothing. That is a big problem for this argument. Obama is criticizing a man for owning too much stuff. So when should we start regulating how many houses a person can own? It is a principle element of freedom to own property. Criticizing the ownership of property (in a non-monopolistic setting) is foolish. Obama tippied his hand, he wants to tax everybody into equality, like a Communist Government tries to. Only problem with that is somebody is always above others. It is either due to Political Favors/Connections or Hard Work. I prefer Hard Work.

/rant

I don't remember the name of the book, but it was about farm animals and it reminded me of the line, "All animals are equal, some are more equal than others."

 

 That would be the novella, Animal Farm, written by Orwell.



That would be it, and I hated reading it in English class.  Sad thing is it is better than all of the other books we read.



So is Obama. At least McCain gets his houses from people who don't work for the mafia, a la Tony Rezko.