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Obliterator1700 on 11 August 2008
Gnizmo said:
Obliterator1700 said:
@Kasz

About your link, apparently the total percentage adds up to 99.6...

Now you tell me, how am I suppose to believe a company that doesn't add stuff up to 100%?

 By having a basic understanding of statistics. The numbers are plenty accurate even if they don't add up to 100%. Error margins and rounding account for the missing percentages.
No, nice try...When you take a test, do they determine your grade out of 100 or 99.6?

 

 



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Gnizmo on 11 August 2008
Obliterator1700 said:
Gnizmo said:
Obliterator1700 said:
@Kasz

About your link, apparently the total percentage adds up to 99.6...

Now you tell me, how am I suppose to believe a company that doesn't add stuff up to 100%?

 By having a basic understanding of statistics. The numbers are plenty accurate even if they don't add up to 100%. Error margins and rounding account for the missing percentages.
No, nice try...When you take a test, do they determine your grade out of 100 or 99.6?

 

 

 That would be an amazing point if test grades were done using statistics. Since your individual test score is in no way, shape, or form determined through statistics though you have completely failed to address the subject. You realize you are questioning the people responsible for the accepted TV ratings system right?



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Kasz216 on 11 August 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
Kasz216 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Bodhesatva said:
TheRealMafoo said:

This could have something to do with perceived value. A 360 at $300 is a far better return on investment then a PS3 at $400.

The people who own PS3, seem to care less about the value, and more about the functionality.

Those people have more money. Sorry, it's just the truth.

Ugh, the old "face it, it's true" routine. It's always a giant, red flag indicating that the person doesn't actually have any evidence, but they want to overpower your argument with sheer force of will. "It's just true, too bad!"

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion? Because again, the only evidence we do have is that the Wii sells to wealthier families than the PS3 or 360 do. That certainly doesn't fit in to your "functionality = more money" equation. If it's not true for the Wii, why would it be so for the 360? I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, mind you, just that the basis of your assertion most definitely is. You'll have to do better than "it's just the truth."

Well, how about this for two facts. The average age of a PS3 owner is older then the average age of a 360 owner.

As age goes up, people make more money (why the Wii has a higher average income, it has a lot of older owners).

So aside from anything related to the console itself, these two facts should account for it.

Now, the question is why is the average age of a PS3 owner higher? I feel it's due to the comments in my last post.

 

 

So did you miss my post where i stated that said survey excluded everyone under 18 and therefore is worthless.

If PS3 had a higher average of 13-17 year old owners/users then 360 then that would be completely unrepresented.

Also while people tend to make a little more money as they grow older. Most people don't tend to go from one bracket to a next in terms of wealth. It's more upword mobility in their own class.

Which makes age pretty pointless in this case when detirmining wealth.

 

What? How many 18 year old self made millionaires do you know? I personally know 20 or so millionaires. All of them are over the age of 40. None of them started out rich.

Almost ever person in a high income bracket worked there way there. I made $26,000 when I was 23, now I make 6 figures.

A few.  Regardless, self made millionaries are what we'd call statistically insignificant.  There aren't that many compared to the statistical norm.

Aside from which i've already proven that survey worthless.



Kasz216 on 11 August 2008
Obliterator1700 said:
Gnizmo said:
Obliterator1700 said:
@Kasz

About your link, apparently the total percentage adds up to 99.6...

Now you tell me, how am I suppose to believe a company that doesn't add stuff up to 100%?

By having a basic understanding of statistics. The numbers are plenty accurate even if they don't add up to 100%. Error margins and rounding account for the missing percentages.
No, nice try...When you take a test, do they determine your grade out of 100 or 99.6?

 

 


Are you serious? Have you every had a class in statistics... or just rounding.


The percentages were rounded from 3 decimial places. Duh... really long and pointless decimals are just messy and unneeded.



Obliterator1700 on 11 August 2008

 

In mathematics, a percentage is a way of expressing a number as a fraction of 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent

 

 

 

"For the month of June, Nielsen says the PlayStation 2 accounted for 42.3 percent of play time on consoles, trouncing all other systems. The original Xbox was the next most frequently played system, representing 17 percent of the gamers' total play time for the month, followed by the Xbox 360 (8 percent), the GameCube (5.8 percent), the Wii (4 percent), and the PlayStation 3 (1.5 percent). The remaining play time--just over 21 percent of the whole--was divided between all other console systems. "

 

Nice try again...



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Kasz216 on 11 August 2008
Obliterator1700 said:
Kasz216 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Kasz216 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Bodhesatva said:
TheRealMafoo said:

This could have something to do with perceived value. A 360 at $300 is a far better return on investment then a PS3 at $400.

The people who own PS3, seem to care less about the value, and more about the functionality.

Those people have more money. Sorry, it's just the truth.

Ugh, the old "face it, it's true" routine. It's always a giant, red flag indicating that the person doesn't actually have any evidence, but they want to overpower your argument with sheer force of will. "It's just true, too bad!"

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion? Because again, the only evidence we do have is that the Wii sells to wealthier families than the PS3 or 360 do. That certainly doesn't fit in to your "functionality = more money" equation. If it's not true for the Wii, why would it be so for the 360? I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, mind you, just that the basis of your assertion most definitely is. You'll have to do better than "it's just the truth."

Well, how about this for two facts. The average age of a PS3 owner is older then the average age of a 360 owner.

As age goes up, people make more money (why the Wii has a higher average income, it has a lot of older owners).

So aside from anything related to the console itself, these two facts should account for it.

Now, the question is why is the average age of a PS3 owner higher? I feel it's due to the comments in my last post.

 

 

So did you miss my post where i stated that said survey excluded everyone under 18 and therefore is worthless.

If PS3 had a higher average of 13-17 year old owners/users then 360 then that would be completely unrepresented.

Also while people tend to make a little more money as they grow older. Most people don't tend to go from one bracket to a next in terms of wealth. It's more upword mobility in their own class.

Which makes age pretty pointless in this case when detirmining wealth.

 

What? How many 18 year old self made millionaires do you know? I personally know 20 or so millionaires. All of them are over the age of 40. None of them started out rich.

Almost ever person in a high income bracket worked there way there. I made $26,000 when I was 23, now I make 6 figures.

A few. Regardless, self made millionaries are what we'd call statistically insignificant. There aren't that many compared to the statistical norm.

Aside from which i've already proven that survey worthless.

 

 

In mathematics, a percentage is a way of expressing a number as a fraction of 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent

 

 

 

"For the month of June, Nielsen says the PlayStation 2 accounted for 42.3 percent of play time on consoles, trouncing all other systems. The original Xbox was the next most frequently played system, representing 17 percent of the gamers' total play time for the month, followed by the Xbox 360 (8 percent), the GameCube (5.8 percent), the Wii (4 percent), and the PlayStation 3 (1.5 percent). The remaining play time--just over 21 percent of the whole--was divided between all other console systems. "

 

Nice try again...

 

Why were you quoting that... and the fact that you can't understand rounding is really funny... are you even in highschool?

Ok your profile says you graduated highschool... which seems surpising... seriously they rounded. That's what EVERYBODY does. Rather then have 34.5938576% there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding



Gnizmo on 11 August 2008
Obliterator1700 said:

 

 

In mathematics, a percentage is a way of expressing a number as a fraction of 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent

 

 

 

"For the month of June, Nielsen says the PlayStation 2 accounted for 42.3 percent of play time on consoles, trouncing all other systems. The original Xbox was the next most frequently played system, representing 17 percent of the gamers' total play time for the month, followed by the Xbox 360 (8 percent), the GameCube (5.8 percent), the Wii (4 percent), and the PlayStation 3 (1.5 percent). The remaining play time--just over 21 percent of the whole--was divided between all other console systems. "

 

Nice try again...

 I am going to guess you meant to reply to me. Percentages != Statistics. When you round a number off you introduce a certain amount of error into the equation. That error has manifested itself in the "missing" .4%. This is very basic math. I have to assume you are just trolling at this point.



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Groucho on 11 August 2008

The 17% of US gamers being console gamers is pretty interesting, and goes a long way to show that the old NPD study stating that 3% of all "gamers" (inclusive of PC gamers) owned more than one next-gen console, actually means that 3/17 (~17.7%) of all console owners own more than one. Then again, you have to consider that a significant portion of that 17% don't even own a next-gen console yet, so the multi-ownership is actually even higher.

There's a gamasutra article that tries to spin that data with its headline, but I can't find the link.  If you read the article closely, the spin is pretty blatant.



darconi on 11 August 2008
Obliterator1700 said:

 

In mathematics, a percentage is a way of expressing a number as a fraction of 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent

"For the month of June, Nielsen says the PlayStation 2 accounted for 42.3 percent of play time on consoles, trouncing all other systems. The original Xbox was the next most frequently played system, representing 17 percent of the gamers' total play time for the month, followed by the Xbox 360 (8 percent), the GameCube (5.8 percent), the Wii (4 percent), and the PlayStation 3 (1.5 percent). The remaining play time--just over 21 percent of the whole--was divided between all other console systems. "

 

Nice try again...

Hahaha, and they said the US educational school system sucks!  You sure proved them wrong.