they are being beated up by FCC after limiting p2p tranfers, and they lie because they say they were not, and after being proof they did.

You probably prefer some forum post or largely unknown website, but it's from Reuters:

"At present, Blu-ray products have entered a rapid development phase in the
Japanese market; Blu-ray disc player sales amount to over 50% of the market-
share in Japan's entire disc player market. In the United States, over 11
million Blu-ray movie discs have been sold."

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS134838+11-Jul-2008+PRN20080711

I think all Blu-Ray disc production is very relevant. Mass production has always been helpful. 

Thank you for finally posting a link. You could have made things easier by doing it when you posted the claim.

Now we just have to find out why the different sources are in contradiction, and make some sense out of the numbers. For example:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/16/blu-ray-discs-reach-1-5-million-sold-hdm-still-trails-dvds-fir/

"HDM discs have only sold 8.3 million compared to 16.3 million DVD's over a similar time period."

According to this, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD together sold half of what DVD did.

PS: Blu-Ray production may be relevant for some discussions, but not when we're comparing movie sales.

When I update my nexflix queue and I see a movie is availible on DVD or Bluray which one do you think I go for? The DVD? PFFFFFT. It's like if I to the Rent a car place and I can choose between a Benz and a Kia for the same price: Do I choose the KIA? PFfffft! Get real.

And HD VOD is too laggy. Lag on TV= YUCK.

Laggy?  I order HD OnDemand movies once every week or two and they have all looked gorgeous so far. 

And what YOU order from Netflix certainly does not represent the mass populous.  You post on forums like this one, so obviously you're probably somebody who knows a thing or two about tech stuff.

Note what i posted in this thread. During February movie sales in all of europe = 2 million for Blur-ray. Europe is WAY below the US in Blu-ray disc consumption. So your guestimations are off.

So when it hit 11 million in the US... and lest just give them an extra 2 million for europe despite the fact it was more like 1 something.

That still puts it... oh... 60+ Million behind DVD in movie discs.. just counting the US numbers. Not even counting DVD in Europe or DVD in Japan.

Sure if Non US/Euro discs are greater then all DVD sales outside of the US during the same timeframe... by over 60 million you have a point. Somehow i doubt Japan and Australia and the few other places it's been launched heavily are really pulling in that number though.

It's much much lower then DVD it's basically unargueable, the facts have been posted. The fact that you try to argue it is laughable.

You spin more then rims.

As for discs produced? That's a lot different then discs shipped, which in turn is a lot different then discs actually used which is a lot different then discs actually used for movies.

It's actually really bad that they've only made 120 million discs worldwide... of which some haven't even been printed, and the majority have likely been used for PS3 games and other non movie uses... vs over 80 million DVDs shipped soley for movie purposes in the United States alone.

DVD isn't behind... it's staggeringly behind to the point of where the US sales likely far eclipse world wide blu-ray movie sales.  Doubling or even possibly tripiling them since i imagine the rest of the world is behind europe and the US in total discs sold.

@ NJ5

Reuters' quoted figures and data are are usually extremely accurate regarding news.

HD DVD did have a little headstart which may introduce a little difficulty comparing timeframes (i.e. DVD vs Blu-Ray timeframe or DVD vs HD DVD + Blu-Ray timeframe). A few months difference can make a huge impact if the timeframe picked lacks the PS3 launch in important regions or if the one timeframe includes a holiday season and the other doesn't etc.

Like I said the quoted data in your link leaves far too much to be clarified. Thus IMO it cannot be used a reliable source, at least not without the potential of misrepresentation and misinformation. The Reuters quote is quite clear, like can be expected from them.

Current projections are that Blu-Ray will be adopted slightly faster than DVD, analists think within 6 years on the market Blu-Ray disc will outsell DVD. That would be a great performance, VHS took much longer to be mass adopted at such volume.

I find it rather funny to see these two statements from MikeB in the same thread:

Could the double standard be more obvious?