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Pristine20 said:

 

 That may be the key statement, if not why is HSBC ranked #1. Won't M$ be worth more than them? HSBC's "market value" is $180.81bln but their asset value is $2348.98 bln. The market value just seems to represent the worth of investing in the company at present not necessarily how much the company would cost because that would mean HSBC would cost less than M$.

Because HSBC also has huge liabilities.

Let me sum up:

Market cap is the stock market's estimate of a company's net worth. Net worth equals total assets minus total liabilities.

When you own a company's stock, you own their assets as well as their liabilities.

 



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NJ5 said:
Pristine20 said:

 

 That may be the key statement, if not why is HSBC ranked #1. Won't M$ be worth more than them? HSBC's "market value" is $180.81bln but their asset value is $2348.98 bln. The market value just seems to represent the worth of investing in the company at present not necessarily how much the company would cost because that would mean HSBC would cost less than M$.

Because HSBC also has huge liabilities.

Let me sum up:

Market cap is the stock market's estimate of a company's net worth. Net worth equals total assets minus total liabilities.

When you own a company's stock, you own their assets as well as their liabilities.

 

To be honest, I can barely figure out what liabilities are. It sounds like debt, employees that have to be paid or something as such. I just go by forbes rankings to know which company is bigger than which. I'm a biology major not business lol.

 



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@Pristine20: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-liability.htm

"In accounting terms, liability describes an obligation. It refers to money owed to complete a transaction, debt that has yet to be paid, or products or services that have been paid for but have not yet been rendered."

"Some other examples of liability include money that is yet to be paid out, such as benefits from a life insurance policy or a settlement, either one of which represents a liability for the insurance provider. An employee's pension, as well as any other savings or retirement fund, is also considered a liability for a company. For the consumer, liabilities may include a home mortgage, second mortgage, line of credit, lien of any kind or car payment. Of course, for the entity to which these monies are owed, each item generally represents an asset. "



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NJ5 said:
Jo21 said:
japan AND europe.

also i doubt microsoft can't afford it.
they could buy even yahoo.

They were offering $44 billion for Yahoo, which is more than Sony is worth. I mean the whole of Sony, not just SCE.

The reason they didn't buy Yahoo was because Yahoo's CEO acted like a spoiled child, almost to the point of being fired by Yahoo's shareholders. Nothing about money.

 


Yahoo market cap (now at 28 bill or so, worth less during the MS buyout talk). MS would never be able to buy Sony at the same price as their market cap I thought people knew that?

FilaBrasileiro said:
NJ5 said:
Jo21 said:
japan AND europe.

also i doubt microsoft can't afford it.
they could buy even yahoo.

They were offering $44 billion for Yahoo, which is more than Sony is worth. I mean the whole of Sony, not just SCE.

The reason they didn't buy Yahoo was because Yahoo's CEO acted like a spoiled child, almost to the point of being fired by Yahoo's shareholders. Nothing about money.

 


 

Yahoo market cap (now at 28 bill or so, worth less during the MS buyout talk). MS would never be able to buy Sony at the same price as their market cap I thought people knew that?

Fortunately, no one is proposing that Microsoft buy Sony ;)

 



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NJ5 said:
@Pristine20: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-liability.htm

"In accounting terms, liability describes an obligation. It refers to money owed to complete a transaction, debt that has yet to be paid, or products or services that have been paid for but have not yet been rendered."

"Some other examples of liability include money that is yet to be paid out, such as benefits from a life insurance policy or a settlement, either one of which represents a liability for the insurance provider. An employee's pension, as well as any other savings or retirement fund, is also considered a liability for a company. For the consumer, liabilities may include a home mortgage, second mortgage, line of credit, lien of any kind or car payment. Of course, for the entity to which these monies are owed, each item generally represents an asset. "

 

 I guess it make sense that buying the company also means buying the right to pay employee salaries and the like so since sony has way more employees and made less profit than nintendo, then, sony would be cheaper because whoever buys it has to pay off such things, hence, ExxonMobil has the highest market value because its the most profitable company in the world.

Actually, Petrochina has the highest market value. i'm lost. I guess I really was not meant to be a businessman lol.



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"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

gebx said:

"...it becomes blatantly clear that Sony and Microsoft simply don't have what it takes right now to compete and more consumers are more excited about Nintendo's platform than anything Sony or Microsoft can dole out."

"Sony's gaming division is quickly becoming a drain on its financial stability and shareholder confidence, while Microsoft is chugging along at a pretty good clip even though it has little influence in Asia"...  "Sony has blamed its gaming division's financial problems on high manufacturing costs and slow sales, but it's probably easier to blame it on poor management."

"And why wouldn't (MS) be? By acquiring Sony's games division, Microsoft effectively eliminates the major competitor in its space and can increase its presence overseas -- a major sticking point for the company.

Right now, Microsoft is a major force in the US and Europe, but it's practically nonexistent in Asia. On the other hand, Japan has always been a Playstation 3 stronghold and even now, it far outpaces the Xbox 360 on almost every measure of performance.

But by acquiring Sony's games division, all those troubles are behind Microsoft. After the ink dries, it'll have a full-fledged customer base in Asia and together with its US and Europe customers, it can expand its Xbox Live platform to more people than ever before and truly become a fearful competitor to Nintendo.

Full article here - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10007014-17.html

This guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Anyone could write something like this. Plus I would like to see Sony documents that state in plain text they feel their gaming division is a "drain" on the rest of the company.

 



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Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:
@Pristine20: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-liability.htm

"In accounting terms, liability describes an obligation. It refers to money owed to complete a transaction, debt that has yet to be paid, or products or services that have been paid for but have not yet been rendered."

"Some other examples of liability include money that is yet to be paid out, such as benefits from a life insurance policy or a settlement, either one of which represents a liability for the insurance provider. An employee's pension, as well as any other savings or retirement fund, is also considered a liability for a company. For the consumer, liabilities may include a home mortgage, second mortgage, line of credit, lien of any kind or car payment. Of course, for the entity to which these monies are owed, each item generally represents an asset. "

 

 I guess it make sense that buying the company also means buying the right to pay employee salaries and the like so since sony has way more employees and made less profit than nintendo, then, sony would be cheaper because whoever buys it has to pay off such things, hence, ExxonMobil has the highest market value because its the most profitable company in the world.

Absolutely... It's a very complicated thing to estimate a company's net worth, which is why the stock market goes up and down all the time. The market cap. usually gives a reasonable estimate though (except when there are huge bubbles from speculators and situations like that).

 



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|_emmiwinks said:
gebx said:

This guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Anyone could write something like this. Plus I would like to see Sony documents that state in plain text they feel their gaming division is a "drain" on the rest of the company.

 

.... the quarterly/yearly financial reports??

 



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NJ5 said:
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:
@Pristine20: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-liability.htm

"In accounting terms, liability describes an obligation. It refers to money owed to complete a transaction, debt that has yet to be paid, or products or services that have been paid for but have not yet been rendered."

"Some other examples of liability include money that is yet to be paid out, such as benefits from a life insurance policy or a settlement, either one of which represents a liability for the insurance provider. An employee's pension, as well as any other savings or retirement fund, is also considered a liability for a company. For the consumer, liabilities may include a home mortgage, second mortgage, line of credit, lien of any kind or car payment. Of course, for the entity to which these monies are owed, each item generally represents an asset. "

 

 I guess it make sense that buying the company also means buying the right to pay employee salaries and the like so since sony has way more employees and made less profit than nintendo, then, sony would be cheaper because whoever buys it has to pay off such things, hence, ExxonMobil has the highest market value because its the most profitable company in the world.

Absolutely... It's a very complicated thing to estimate a company's net worth, which is why the stock market goes up and down all the time. The market cap. usually gives a reasonable estimate though (except when there are huge bubbles from speculators and situations like that).

 

I just found out that PetroChina is more valuable than ExxonMobil even though it made less profit. What gives?

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler