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rocketpig said:
el_rika said:
DTG said:
The_vagabond7 said:

Who the **** cares what the storyline in half life was? Half life has made a gigantic contribution to gaming, it changed the way the medium was viewed and developed. Kojima hasn't done jack shit except give boners to intellectual wannabes. And who cares how it would be received as a movie? Because it's NOT a movie. "Metamorphisis" would make a really crappy game for it's lack of coherent level design, and yet amazing no one faults kafka for that.

I'm not even going to argue about the merits of his storytelling style, his "philosophy" , or about art in general because time and time again you have only shown your ignorance in these topics. No matter how many times it's shown that you have no idea what you're talking about you will continue to claim that Kojima is the great thinker of our time, best artist of the century, and probably the messiah the jews have been waiting for.

 

You admit that Halflife doesn't hold a candle to movie or novel storylines yet you call it a huge contribution to gaming? Oxymoron maybe? Once videogame storylines reach the depth of movie and novel storylines in general then we can call that a huge contribution, but halflife is nothing more than a weak storyline overblown by videogame fans as something more.

 

lol, agreed.

Half Life's storytelling only works for those that want to kill za alienz without having to think too much, but puting Half Life and MGS in the same sentence as far as storytelling goes is really an insult for Hideo Kojima and his team.

Actually, mentioning Half-Life in a Kojima argument is an insult to Gabe Newell and his crack team of bad-ass game-making mofos.

Kojima is a self-absorbed blowhard who couldn't tell a story well to save his own ass. He repeats everything five or six times, he removes any sort of interaction on the viewer's part by explaining even the most mundane plot points in great detail, he rips all his good ideas from other more influential artists, his dialogue is downright terrible, and did I mention he's a self-absorbed blowhard?

With that said, he makes some pretty fun games. But this idolatry needs to stop. Even somewhat talented Hollywood directors - Christopher Nolan, for example - make Kojima's games, dialogue, and stories look bad. Compare him to some of the past cinema and literary greats like Kubrick or Poe and the comparison becomes downright comical. In short, Kojima is a fan service hack, nothing more. He hit it big with MGS and has yet to prove that he can duplicate that by putting together something even half as coherent and nuanced. Even then, MGS was far from fine art. It was much closer to a pulp rag in video game form than anything else.

But, go ahead and keep arguing with us about it. You'll find one or two supporters on websites like this while the rest of the world who knows better sits back and chuckles at your ridiculous notions of fine art and genius.

 

You have got to be kidding me. Honestly, have you ever heard of a game called Zone of Enders?

Still all I see here is a massive paragraph that I simply stamp as TROLLING.

MGS is a franchise that is in the same league of game as Half-Life. There is NO way around it. If you dont like it that is fine but straight up calling Kojima, a way more well known developer then Gabe, a self-absorbed blowhard when they guy is as humble as your mothers fresh baked apple pie is completely out of line. Gabe is more of a blowhard then Kojima ever will be. Hell, I'll straight up say it. Gabe is a complete f*cking *ss h*le.

Kojima's stories are complex and very well weaved together. If some people dont understand it and just drop back to the "this story sucks" well let me tell you what. Most game stories suck. Halo, Gears of War, Mass Effect, etc all SUCK at their stories (this doesnt include Unreal, Half-Life, Quake, Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem, or Quake). Kojima uses a very special technique in his story telling, "breaking the fourth wall", that is RARE to see and even RARER to see in a video game. He is one of the few to ever pull this off.

Some people like games with poor stories, *pats you on the back*, but most of us like stories that take some back analyst to full grasp and enjoy. Go back to reading mother goose while the big boys read our novels.

 



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Mods, mods, don't fight.

What will the children think?

Though I find it interesting to watch one mod literlaly condescend to another, I have to ask, ssj12, do you honestly think that Metal Gear Solid is as good a series as Half-Life? Speaking completely seriously, here.



Khuutra said:
Mods, mods, don't fight.

What will the children think?

Though I find it interesting to watch one mod literlaly condescend to another, I have to ask, ssj12, do you honestly think that Metal Gear Solid is as good a series as Half-Life? Speaking completely seriously, here.

 

yes and I;m a PC fanboy so if I say it is. it is. lol



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ssj12 said:
Khuutra said:
Mods, mods, don't fight.

What will the children think?

Though I find it interesting to watch one mod literlaly condescend to another, I have to ask, ssj12, do you honestly think that Metal Gear Solid is as good a series as Half-Life? Speaking completely seriously, here.

 

yes and I;m a PC fanboy so if I say it is. it is. lol

You can drop the "fanboy" moniker, here, I don't give two damns about it and it does nothing to strengthen your argument.

Allow me to ask another question: would you agree with DTG in that Kojima is one of the (if not the) best storytellers working in the medium today?



ssj12 said:
rocketpig said:
el_rika said:
DTG said:
The_vagabond7 said:

Who the **** cares what the storyline in half life was? Half life has made a gigantic contribution to gaming, it changed the way the medium was viewed and developed. Kojima hasn't done jack shit except give boners to intellectual wannabes. And who cares how it would be received as a movie? Because it's NOT a movie. "Metamorphisis" would make a really crappy game for it's lack of coherent level design, and yet amazing no one faults kafka for that.

I'm not even going to argue about the merits of his storytelling style, his "philosophy" , or about art in general because time and time again you have only shown your ignorance in these topics. No matter how many times it's shown that you have no idea what you're talking about you will continue to claim that Kojima is the great thinker of our time, best artist of the century, and probably the messiah the jews have been waiting for.

 

You admit that Halflife doesn't hold a candle to movie or novel storylines yet you call it a huge contribution to gaming? Oxymoron maybe? Once videogame storylines reach the depth of movie and novel storylines in general then we can call that a huge contribution, but halflife is nothing more than a weak storyline overblown by videogame fans as something more.

 

lol, agreed.

Half Life's storytelling only works for those that want to kill za alienz without having to think too much, but puting Half Life and MGS in the same sentence as far as storytelling goes is really an insult for Hideo Kojima and his team.

Actually, mentioning Half-Life in a Kojima argument is an insult to Gabe Newell and his crack team of bad-ass game-making mofos.

Kojima is a self-absorbed blowhard who couldn't tell a story well to save his own ass. He repeats everything five or six times, he removes any sort of interaction on the viewer's part by explaining even the most mundane plot points in great detail, he rips all his good ideas from other more influential artists, his dialogue is downright terrible, and did I mention he's a self-absorbed blowhard?

With that said, he makes some pretty fun games. But this idolatry needs to stop. Even somewhat talented Hollywood directors - Christopher Nolan, for example - make Kojima's games, dialogue, and stories look bad. Compare him to some of the past cinema and literary greats like Kubrick or Poe and the comparison becomes downright comical. In short, Kojima is a fan service hack, nothing more. He hit it big with MGS and has yet to prove that he can duplicate that by putting together something even half as coherent and nuanced. Even then, MGS was far from fine art. It was much closer to a pulp rag in video game form than anything else.

But, go ahead and keep arguing with us about it. You'll find one or two supporters on websites like this while the rest of the world who knows better sits back and chuckles at your ridiculous notions of fine art and genius.

 

You have got to be kidding me. Honestly, have you ever heard of a game called Zone of Enders?

Still all I see here is a massive paragraph that I simply stamp as TROLLING.

MGS is a franchise that is in the same league of game as Half-Life. There is NO way around it. If you dont like it that is fine but straight up calling Kojima, a way more well known developer then Gabe, a self-absorbed blowhard when they guy is as humble as your mothers fresh baked apple pie is completely out of line. Gabe is more of a blowhard then Kojima ever will be. Hell, I'll straight up say it. Gabe is a complete f*cking *ss h*le.

Kojima's stories are complex and very well weaved together. If some people dont understand it and just drop back to the "this story sucks" well let me tell you what. Most game stories suck. Halo, Gears of War, Mass Effect, etc all SUCK at their stories (this doesnt include Unreal, Half-Life, Quake, Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem, or Quake). Kojima uses a very special technique in his story telling, "breaking the fourth wall", that is RARE to see and even RARER to see in a video game. He is one of the few to ever pull this off.

Some people like games with poor stories, *pats you on the back*, but most of us like stories that take some back analyst to full grasp and enjoy. Go back to reading mother goose while the big boys read our novels.

 

The shitty robot game, that Zone of the Enders right?

Hey while we are talking about crappy Kojima games can I mention Boktai, Lunar Knights and Tokimeki Memorial too?

 

The guy decided to the voice for God in MGS4 himself for crying out loud, how much more self absorbed do you want him to be?

 



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Khuutra said:
ssj12 said:
Khuutra said:
Mods, mods, don't fight.

What will the children think?

Though I find it interesting to watch one mod literlaly condescend to another, I have to ask, ssj12, do you honestly think that Metal Gear Solid is as good a series as Half-Life? Speaking completely seriously, here.

 

yes and I;m a PC fanboy so if I say it is. it is. lol

You can drop the "fanboy" moniker, here, I don't give two damns about it and it does nothing to strengthen your argument.

Allow me to ask another question: would you agree with DTG in that Kojima is one of the (if not the) best storytellers working in the medium today?

 

 Thats not what DTG said, DTG claimed he is one of the most infuential thinkers of the last 50 years.



Fishie said:
Khuutra said:
ssj12 said:
Khuutra said:
Mods, mods, don't fight.

What will the children think?

Though I find it interesting to watch one mod literlaly condescend to another, I have to ask, ssj12, do you honestly think that Metal Gear Solid is as good a series as Half-Life? Speaking completely seriously, here.

 

yes and I;m a PC fanboy so if I say it is. it is. lol

You can drop the "fanboy" moniker, here, I don't give two damns about it and it does nothing to strengthen your argument.

Allow me to ask another question: would you agree with DTG in that Kojima is one of the (if not the) best storytellers working in the medium today?

 

 Thats not what DTG said, DTG claimed he is one of the most infuential thinkers of the last 50 years.

The point here is to ask a question to which I expect the answer to be "yes". And that is also something that DTG said, unless I am mistaken.



Khuutra said:
Fishie said:
Khuutra said:
ssj12 said:
Khuutra said:
Mods, mods, don't fight.

What will the children think?

Though I find it interesting to watch one mod literlaly condescend to another, I have to ask, ssj12, do you honestly think that Metal Gear Solid is as good a series as Half-Life? Speaking completely seriously, here.

 

yes and I;m a PC fanboy so if I say it is. it is. lol

You can drop the "fanboy" moniker, here, I don't give two damns about it and it does nothing to strengthen your argument.

Allow me to ask another question: would you agree with DTG in that Kojima is one of the (if not the) best storytellers working in the medium today?

 

 Thats not what DTG said, DTG claimed he is one of the most infuential thinkers of the last 50 years.

The point here is to ask a question to which I expect the answer to be "yes". And that is also something that DTG said, unless I am mistaken.

 

I said yes... and sticking to that yes.



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ssj12 said:
Khuutra said:
Fishie said:
Khuutra said:
ssj12 said:
Khuutra said:
Mods, mods, don't fight.

What will the children think?

Though I find it interesting to watch one mod literlaly condescend to another, I have to ask, ssj12, do you honestly think that Metal Gear Solid is as good a series as Half-Life? Speaking completely seriously, here.

 

yes and I;m a PC fanboy so if I say it is. it is. lol

You can drop the "fanboy" moniker, here, I don't give two damns about it and it does nothing to strengthen your argument.

Allow me to ask another question: would you agree with DTG in that Kojima is one of the (if not the) best storytellers working in the medium today?

 

 Thats not what DTG said, DTG claimed he is one of the most infuential thinkers of the last 50 years.

The point here is to ask a question to which I expect the answer to be "yes". And that is also something that DTG said, unless I am mistaken.

 

I said yes... and sticking to that yes.

Last question, I promise, and then I'll say something.

Is it imaginable that there could be an argument which dissuades you from this viewpoint?



Khuutra said:
ssj12 said:
Khuutra said:
Fishie said:
Khuutra said:
ssj12 said:
Khuutra said:
Mods, mods, don't fight.

What will the children think?

Though I find it interesting to watch one mod literlaly condescend to another, I have to ask, ssj12, do you honestly think that Metal Gear Solid is as good a series as Half-Life? Speaking completely seriously, here.

 

yes and I;m a PC fanboy so if I say it is. it is. lol

You can drop the "fanboy" moniker, here, I don't give two damns about it and it does nothing to strengthen your argument.

Allow me to ask another question: would you agree with DTG in that Kojima is one of the (if not the) best storytellers working in the medium today?

 

 Thats not what DTG said, DTG claimed he is one of the most infuential thinkers of the last 50 years.

The point here is to ask a question to which I expect the answer to be "yes". And that is also something that DTG said, unless I am mistaken.

 

I said yes... and sticking to that yes.

Last question, I promise, and then I'll say something.

Is it imaginable that there could be an argument which dissuades you from this viewpoint?

 

doubt it



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