Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought.

Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong.

From the Hollywood Reporter:

makingmusic476 said: Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought. Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong. From the Hollywood Reporter: The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player.

It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week.

Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground.

LordTheNightKnight said: makingmusic476 said: Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought. Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong. From the Hollywood Reporter: The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player. It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week. Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground.

 huh? I dont understand...are you saying that since BD had a better movie HD DVD didnt lose ground? In fact where i live, in reality, when a sales ratio is 73:27 and the since inception ratio is less, HD DVD is very much indeed losing ground.

The thing is, its funny here. This site is populated by people who despise sony. Thus they fight tooth and nail to claim HD DVDs superiority over BD....yet, BD leads in sales, BD has more CE support, BD gets more space at retail......but glancing over posts in the videogame section, we see people denounces the PS3 because it sells less.....when discussing videogames we use a sales leader as a reason to procliam dominance....yet when discussing BD, sinceits backed by Sony, we mustnt keep the same rationale......interesting indeed.

LordTheNightKnight said: makingmusic476 said: Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought. Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong. From the Hollywood Reporter: The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player. It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week. Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground.

That's right.  We have no hard data on player sales from last week, which means the actual sales could be lower than what was initially predicted.

Also, most stores were giving away 5 free movies instantaneously with each A3 sold, two in the box and three extras.  Those three would've all gone towards the software sales.

LordTheNightKnight said: makingmusic476 said: Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought. Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong. From the Hollywood Reporter: The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player. It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week. Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground.

 Ohhhhh i see. you are trying to say that BD GAVE more titles away? Actually besides open season at BB, they didnt give any away......whereas on amazon every single HD DVD player sold came with 3 movies scanned that counte din the nielsens.....so youre dead wrong. For $199 all last week you could get an HD DV Dplayer with 10 free movies. 3 of which counted in these figures.....so you could essentially MAKE MONEY on buying  aplayer for $199. 10 movies would equal roughly $250.....crazy isnt it, how much you will put your head in the sand and scurry for reasoning to denounce BD.

 

Golvellius said: ssj12 said: makingmusic476 said: From High Def Digest: Week 11/18: BD 66, HD 34 YTD: BD 65, HD 35 SI: BD 61, HD 39 Week 11/11: BD 65, HD 35 YTD: BD 65, HD 35 SI: BD 61, HD 39 Week 11/04: BD 71, HD 29 YTD: BD 64, HD 36 SI: BD 61, HD 39 Week 10/28: BD 55, HD 45 YTD: BD 64, HD 36 SI: BD 60, HD 40 Also, total sales of Blu-Ray movies have surpassed the 1 mil. mark in Europe, not including movies bundled with ps3s. just a few more weeks and Sony has officially beat Toshiba for HD market dominance for a full year. Yeah, at the cost of being the distant third in the console sector.

well according to everyone who despises Sony, being in last (HD DVD) is a sign of success, right?

makingmusic476 said: LordTheNightKnight said: makingmusic476 said: Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought. Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong. From the Hollywood Reporter: The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player. It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week. Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground. That's right. We have no hard data on player sales from last week, which means the actual sales could be lower than what was initially predicted. Also, most stores were giving away 5 free movies instantaneously with each A3 sold, two in the box and three extras. Those three would've all gone towards the software sales.

You wrote "were" not "could". That's the half truth I'm calling you on.

As for stephan, I meant not losing ground in hard sales, and market penetration. 

LordTheNightKnight said: makingmusic476 said: LordTheNightKnight said: makingmusic476 said: Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought. Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong. From the Hollywood Reporter: The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player. It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week. Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground. That's right. We have no hard data on player sales from last week, which means the actual sales could be lower than what was initially predicted. Also, most stores were giving away 5 free movies instantaneously with each A3 sold, two in the box and three extras. Those three would've all gone towards the software sales. You wrote "were" not "could". That's the half truth I'm calling you on. As for stephan, I meant not losing ground in hard sales, and market penetration.

 so what youre saying is........we dont have numbers on SAL's so HD DVD didnt lose anything by selling almost 300% less software?

How about pride. How many times can you folks brag about hardware numbers and get slaughtered by what counts....software. people buy hardware once. Software trends are whats important when discusing cinema formats as thats where the money is made and thats where sales continue.

The only reason Toshiba began its crusade on hardware sales was because it was supposed to equate to software sales. Which it isnt and hasnt. 

steverhcp02 said: LordTheNightKnight said: makingmusic476 said: Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought. Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong. From the Hollywood Reporter: The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player. It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week. Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground. Ohhhhh i see. you are trying to say that BD GAVE more titles away? Actually besides open season at BB, they didnt give any away......whereas on amazon every single HD DVD player sold came with 3 movies scanned that counte din the nielsens.....so youre dead wrong. For $199 all last week you could get an HD DV Dplayer with 10 free movies. 3 of which counted in these figures.....so you could essentially MAKE MONEY on buying aplayer for $199. 10 movies would equal roughly $250.....crazy isnt it, how much you will put your head in the sand and scurry for reasoning to denounce BD.

You used just one retailer to claim BD players had no movies, just one, and a completely different one, to claim HD-DVD offers more. That is total BS.

And if you actually looked at my posts here, you would know that I'm denouncing NEITHER format. I'm denouncing the lie that the market share of hi-def is actually important as getting into the mainstream. Pretending I'm biased won't make it anything else.

steverhcp02 said: LordTheNightKnight said: makingmusic476 said: LordTheNightKnight said: It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week. Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground. That's right. We have no hard data on player sales from last week, which means the actual sales could be lower than what was initially predicted. Also, most stores were giving away 5 free movies instantaneously with each A3 sold, two in the box and three extras. Those three would've all gone towards the software sales. You wrote "were" not "could". That's the half truth I'm calling you on. As for stephan, I meant not losing ground in hard sales, and market penetration. so what youre saying is........we dont have numbers on SAL's so HD DVD didnt lose anything by selling almost 300% less software? WHERE does it say they sold 300% less? You can't just pull numbers out of nowhere. How about pride. How many times can you folks Of course. I won't pretend HD-DVD is losing, so I must be HD-DVD biased. Bullshit. brag about hardware numbers and get slaughtered by what counts....software. people buy hardware once. Software trends are whats important when discusing cinema formats as thats where the money is made and thats where sales continue. It's not a slaughter. Losing money would be being slaughtered. Getting outsold in MAINSTREAM numbers would be being slaughtered. This is still less than 10% of the market DVD has, with neither format getting much money right now. The only reason Toshiba began its crusade on hardware sales was because it was supposed to equate to software sales. Which it isnt and hasnt. That's a lie. They're touting attach ratio, claiming it's the same as software sales. Of course the gauge is suspect (PS3 not always used for blu-ray), but the point is that the hardware sales are not touted as though they are the same as software sales. They are touting software sales.