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LordTheNightKnight on 14 November 2007
ProfDallas said:
The sky is looking bluer every day.

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One of the major Dutch music and video retailers called Free Record Shops announced that they see Blu-ray as the High Definition format of the future. They emphasized that Blu-ray offers the ultimate high definition video- and audio experience. Free Record Shops Netherlands explicitly supports this new format as the successor of the DVD and will give it a more prominent place in its stores.

Hans Breukhoven, CEO of Free Record Shop Holding says that this choice fits in their strategy concerning new developments: "More and more consumers own a high definition TV. Blu-ray offers the opportunity to watch movies in the highest possibile high definition quality. Sales results also show that the major part of sold high definition discs are Blu-ray. Based on the quality, the support from industry and the current sales results, we believe that Blu-ray is the high definition format of the future".

http://www.dvd-home.nl

God. More of this crap. I bet you'll lie your a$$ off if I ask you about stories for companies supporting HD-DVD.



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Delusional on 14 November 2007
ProfDallas said:
The sky is looking bluer every day.

Weird.  I see the sky becoming more and more red.  There are tons of HD DVD news, but I don't even wanna bother posting.  What's the point when the war will last several more years.  Back to video game topics. :)



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LordTheNightKnight on 15 November 2007
ProfDallas said:
BD -drive prices are shrinking. With a BD reader for your computer at $199 there is no way that the HD-DVD drive for the 360 can compete. Is the format war over yet?

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All the action in the next-gen format war might be at the front lines of cut-rate players, but the battle rages on across the entire spectrum of devices -- which is why we've seen the poor $199 DH-401S BD-ROM drive from Philips and Lite-on touted as the answer to those $200 HD-A2s in a couple places. That's quite a stretch, obviously, but it's still much cheaper than any other BD-ROM drives we've seen. The read-only SATA drive pulls data off BD media at 4X, single layer DVDs at 12X, DVD-DL and DVD±RW at 8x, and CDs at 32X. Giving up write capabilites is obviously limiting, but for those of you building out HTPCs, this bad boy might be just the ticket

So it's not possible for the 360's drive to go below $180 if Toshiba and Microsoft want to. Oh wait, they'd do it in a heartbeat if they felt it was necessary. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

makingmusic476 on 15 November 2007
TheBigFatJ said:
FishyJoe said:
That's why the $99 price point is vitally important to the race. At $99 a person will choose an HD player over a DVD player. I think it's pretty clear that HD-DVD will reach this price point far sooner than Blu-ray.

That's exactly what we did. We wanted a high end DVD player, and the HD-A2 is better than any other DVD player on the market under $100 (and also better than almost any audio CD Player for less than $1000.

I personally do not believe the new formats make up 5% of the total video sales. Bullshit. Whose numbers are we looking at, because they're not accurate. Netflix said that 0.3% of its users viewed Blu Ray and HD-DVD videos combined. Those are the numbers of people *viewing* the pages. The numbers actually renting HD-DVD and BD movies from Netflix are significantly lower than 0.3%.

And this is with *zero* additional cost for the HD formats. Right now, I can walk into a store and get a DVD for $3-$14, depending on the sale and the same HD-DVD/BD is $19-$40.


People buying $300+ video players are obviously video afficianados who are more likely to buy movies rather than rent them.  I've seen guys on AVS that have over 200 HD DVDs or Blu-Ray movies, when there are only around 350 released on either format!  Considering that and the fact that HD movies cost significantly more than a DVD, then it makes sense that HDM makes up ~5% of hard disc video revenue.



makingmusic476 on 15 November 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/07/format-war-gets-more-warlike/

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9812929-1.html?tag=blg.orig

Basically, the AV Science forum, apparently the biggest site to discuss audio/video electronics, had to temporarily shut down the Blu-ray and HD-DVD section because:

We have seen members attacking other members not only in debate, which is the right way, but with physical threats that have involved police and possible legal action.

Now I've called on blu-ray fans for their arrogance, but apparently, the HD-DVD fanboys smelled blood after the record sales of the $99 player. I also think Transformers "disputed" record opening, and Spiderman 3 opening smaller than 300, had something to do with it. So the smelling blood and arrogance escalated into some bitter feuding.

This doesn't excuse this thread. As long as you refuse to look at this objectively, and admit this format war isn't going to end soon,* you're part of the problem.

*And drop the stupid line that people would just flock to HD, but this format war is somehow holding them back. Surveys have shown it's indifference to HD that is holding them back.

The SM3 numbers came out after it was shut down. I'm avoiding the HDM sections of AVS now, instead posting at highdefdigest.com. The AVS moderators are very strict and far too inconsistent. Useful information can't be posted for fear of starting an argument, yet arguments still arise over the boring stuff that members are allowed to post. It's hell over there nowadays.

The site's userbase is heavily slanted towards HD DVD as well. I was starting to believe all the doom and gloom about Blu-Ray spread by HD DVD fanboys over there, until I switched to High Def Digest. It was like a breath of fresh air, and I can now see things (more) clearly. It's a lot more balanced at that site (though the polls show that HD DVD owners still outnumber Blu-Ray owners even there).



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makingmusic476 on 15 November 2007
ProfDallas said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/07/format-war-gets-more-warlike/

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9812929-1.html?tag=blg.orig

Basically, the AV Science forum, apparently the biggest site to discuss audio/video electronics, had to temporarily shut down the Blu-ray and HD-DVD section because:

We have seen members attacking other members not only in debate, which is the right way, but with physical threats that have involved police and possible legal action.

Now I've called on blu-ray fans for their arrogance, but apparently, the HD-DVD fanboys smelled blood after the record sales of the $99 player. I also think Transformers "disputed" record opening, and Spiderman 3 opening smaller than 300, had something to do with it. So the smelling blood and arrogance escalated into some bitter feuding.

This doesn't excuse this thread. As long as you refuse to look at this objectively, and admit this format war isn't going to end soon,* you're part of the problem.

*And drop the stupid line that people would just flock to HD, but this format war is somehow holding them back. Surveys have shown it's indifference to HD that is holding them back.

Well, one of the problems that the forum has been criticised in the past for not really being neutral at all. One of the bigger mods over there actually worked for microsoft so he was pretty pro hddvd and would ban people that posted blatant pro BD threads. I think that they just want some rest from all the commotion and arguing that the forum caused but don't think that there were any serious words thrown around or anything like that by either side.


There were threats of violence. One user had to call the police, who contacted AVS, who then shut down the HDM sections of the forums.



FinalEvangelion on 15 November 2007

It's really amazing what goes down between mediums of storage that store 0s and 1s.

I have both a PS3 and a Toshiba HD DVD player, so it really doesn't matter for me. This format war will be around for a long time. I started watching BD/HD DVD, and I don't like to watch DVDs anymore.



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ProfDallas on 15 November 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
ProfDallas said:
The sky is looking bluer every day.

---------------------------------------------
One of the major Dutch music and video retailers called Free Record Shops announced that they see Blu-ray as the High Definition format of the future. They emphasized that Blu-ray offers the ultimate high definition video- and audio experience. Free Record Shops Netherlands explicitly supports this new format as the successor of the DVD and will give it a more prominent place in its stores.

Hans Breukhoven, CEO of Free Record Shop Holding says that this choice fits in their strategy concerning new developments: "More and more consumers own a high definition TV. Blu-ray offers the opportunity to watch movies in the highest possibile high definition quality. Sales results also show that the major part of sold high definition discs are Blu-ray. Based on the quality, the support from industry and the current sales results, we believe that Blu-ray is the high definition format of the future".

http://www.dvd-home.nl

God. More of this crap. I bet you'll lie your a$$ off if I ask you about stories for companies supporting HD-DVD.


Yes, I'd have to lie if I did give out news of companies supporting HDDVD b/c for one reason; there really aren't any retailers, industry groups, associations, or any other support besides Microsoft who is only in the game so they can rain on the PS3 parade, and Paramount b/c their friendship has been bought.



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LordTheNightKnight on 15 November 2007

You don't know there aren't any. You just don't want to look. So you're lying.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Delusional on 15 November 2007

You don't have to give news of companies. You can give news of opinions of mass market consumers. :P Bought friendship? Yea, I'm sure plenty of charity goes on around Disney and Fox and Sony. It's friendship money lending.



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