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Kasz216 said:
ssj12 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
query, what exactly constitutes an "attack"

 

Basically the entire concept of trolling. Just purposely provoking people.LIke for example, "that is complete BS, the Bible is completely right. All other religions are not real and people should rot for believing anything else.

 

Well to be fair... if you believe that people are going to have an eternity of suffering due to something... and all you didn't do all you did to stop it... I imagine you'd feel like a dick for eternity...

and if despite all you did nobody listened i imagine you'd be pretty irratable.

 

This is true but religous faith or no religous faith you would feel like a dick if you didnt do something or irratable if you spoke up and no one listened.



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dtewi said:
Yeah.

I think Athiests are too close-minded while religion is as well.

They shut out each other's beliefs and only believe their own.

I am open to both Athiesm and Religion, it's just that neither have proof.

 

that means your agnostic



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fkusumot said:

So someone could talk about the evils of miscegenation, and say it's analogous to abortion, and the products of both are miscarriages and the spawn of satan (i.e., evil), and that would be perfectly fine? Perhaps it would be fine if the person were talking about it while referring to me, since I am the product of miscegenation. But wouldn't that be a little personal?

Also, about abortion; Many anit-choice people are prone to call abortion "murder". Since I've aided and abetted the commission of an abortion that would seemingly mean that I'm guilty of several crimes myself. Is it okay to call someone a criminal based on your moral position when in fact that person is not legally a criminal in our society today?

You are talking to a wall sir. I get your position and agree for the most part. The major difference is I think they should get their voice and then we should be able to tear that opinion to shreds, without a thought on the person's personal feelings.

 



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fkusumot said:

So someone could talk about the evils of miscegenation, and say it's analogous to abortion, and the products of both are miscarriages and the spawn of satan (i.e., evil), and that would be perfectly fine? Perhaps it would be fine if the person were talking about it while referring to me, since I am the product of miscegenation. But wouldn't that be a little personal?

Also, about abortion; Many anit-choice people are prone to call abortion "murder". Since I've aided and abetted the commission of an abortion that would seemingly mean that I'm guilty of several crimes myself. Is it okay to call someone a criminal based on your moral position when in fact that person is not legally a criminal in our society today?

 

Many anti-choice people are also religous people. They typically state that it is against the bible and is evil like you say.

The thing is that with the expansion of knowledge why should we not use it and give everyone the choice to decide what they want. I feel that a 14 year old shouldnt even have a kid and should have an abortion.

It should not be right to call someone evil for doing something not illegal like abortion.



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@fkumusot
Yes, it's okay for them to say it- legally.
No, it's not okay for them to say it- morally.

If they were to believe the place where there own morals come from, then they'd also believe 'Judge not, lest ye be judged.' And anyone who truly believes that would be assuming the role of their own God by judging another, which is, after all, their God's job.

That's what I believe, anyway.



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@starmistkarmic - I would say there is a difference between judging an act and the person that commits it. If anyone took what you said too literally (not saying that you´re doing it) then we wouldn´t be able to create laws. So moral is necessary in order to distinguish between the good and the bad (laws are based in the morality of its population after all). The things is to look at each case and always remember that individuals are complex.



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ssj12 said:

Freedom of Knowledge and religion are two things that I believe are important in this world. Along with this is the right to express one's knowledge and understanding without one's thoughts to be considered bigotry or hatred towards others

Okay. If someone states that it is their knowledge that Obama is EVIL that's okay. If someone states that Obama is homosexual that's okay. If someone states that Obama is a murderer that's okay. If someone states that Obama is the ANTICHRIST then that's olay. In easch case these would just be statements with no evidence to back them up. All of these statemenst are to be considered un-bigoted and not-hateful? How would we know if we don't have access to their underlying facts and assumptions?



fkusumot said:
ssj12 said:

Freedom of Knowledge and religion are two things that I believe are important in this world. Along with this is the right to express one's knowledge and understanding without one's thoughts to be considered bigotry or hatred towards others

Okay. If someone states that it is their knowledge that Obama is EVIL that's okay. If someone states that Obama is homosexual that's okay. If someone states that Obama is a murderer that's okay. If someone states that Obama is the ANTICHRIST then that's olay. In easch case these would just be statements with no evidence to back them up. All of these statemenst are to be considered un-bigoted and not-hateful? How would we know if we don't have access to their underlying facts and assumptions?

 

IF something doesnt sound correct question them on it. It could be jsut their personal opinion but still asking for proof or reason is a good way to find out which are facts and what are assumptions. If not google is your friend.



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@marciosmg
I agree with you.
I was clumsily trying to say that accusing someone of being a criminal is morally incompatible with the belief system most of the accusers hold. When the placards say "Baby Killer" on them, it is the person being judged and not the act. Luckily, the state judges the act and not the person(though, even that is suspect.)
While the laws of men and women are certainly flawed, they are what works best. The morality of a society, as a whole, should be accounted for in it's laws, and the laws should change with the shifting of that society's morality.



While freedom of knowledge is one thing, expressing ot reciting that knowledge thus becomes freedom of speech, which is known to not do so well on moderated forums on the internet, not just vgchartz. So yes, there is freedom to know, but does the freedom to know result in the requirement to listen to another person's view or opinion? Or, a better question - are you certain that a truly intellectual conversation on theology can be had on not only the internet, but on a video game industry forum?