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If by command you mean lead into more useless fighting, spread out to thin to defend against a real threat than I agree with the polls.



If you mean manage peace and keep an able military for defense, than I don't.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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steven787 said:
If you mean manage peace and keep an able military for defense, than I don't.

Keeping an able military (welfare state, health system or infrastructure) requires sound economic policy.

In a debate on sound economic policy, the word "Obama" should not even be alluded too.

 



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starcraft said:
steven787 said:
If you mean manage peace and keep an able military for defense, than I don't.

Keeping an able military (welfare state, health system or infrastructure) requires sound economic policy.

In a debate on sound economic policy, the word "Obama" should not even be alluded too.

 

 

Actually, the health of the economy has very little to do with who the president is.  If it did then we would be in real big trouble no matter which one of the two were elected.

To sum it up:

 

Strengths:

McCain: Maverick moderate will return once the election is over whether he wins or loses, world powers like him, good understanding of workings of government. Very understanding of the world as it is.

Obama: Good talker, world powers like him more, gets americans motivated (biggest strength).

Weaknesses:

McCain: Stuck in his ways, international realist views are unrealistic, if he wins there are going to be a lot of pissed republicans in 4 years.

Obama: Speeches are naive, international positions are unworkable with congress, people are going to be disappointed in 4 years when US isn't turned into a European country.

 

Both are better than Bush, because they are not complete idiots and both are very able to run the government with out running it into the ground.

 



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

steven787 said:
starcraft said:
steven787 said:
If you mean manage peace and keep an able military for defense, than I don't.

Keeping an able military (welfare state, health system or infrastructure) requires sound economic policy.

In a debate on sound economic policy, the word "Obama" should not even be alluded too.

 

 

Actually, the health of the economy has very little to do with who the president is.  If it did then we would be in real big trouble no matter which one of the two were elected.

To sum it up:

 

Strengths:

McCain: Maverick moderate will return once the election is over whether he wins or loses, world powers like him, good understanding of workings of government. Very understanding of the world as it is.

Obama: Good talker, world powers like him more, gets americans motivated (biggest strength).

Weaknesses:

McCain: Stuck in his ways, international realist views are unrealistic, if he wins there are going to be a lot of pissed republicans in 4 years.

Obama: Speeches are naive, international positions are unworkable with congress, people are going to be disappointed in 4 years when US isn't turned into a European country.

 

Both are better than Bush, because they are not complete idiots and both are very able to run the government with out running it into the ground.

 

Anyone is better than Bush. Bush has the brain the size of a pea.

 



McCain. I mean look at him, he's so old, he must have learned something in his life.



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starcraft said:
Leetgeek said:
Well considering that McCains plan for Iraq is the same as Bush forget it. I think Obama would be better. I think a sack of dog crap would be better.

Wow. You're really buying the Obama hype train huh?

McCain has VERY different policies to George Bush on a whole range of issues including Iraq. Ironically, the main issue where McCain shares a viewpoint with Bush is immigration, and Democrats actually don't mind Bush's policy of allowing illegal immigrants to apply for citizenship.

As for Iraq, there are not two policy arguments that dictate either for or against.

McCain has opposed loads of Bush's operational decisions in Iraq. Again ironically, the only major one he DIDN'T oppose was the surge which seems to be working.

I can't bring myself to say going to Iraq was a good idea. But when I think about the fact that on September 11, 2001 every Islamic Militant in the world rose up in dedication to America's destruction, and despite this there has not been a SINGLE successful attack on America since, I have to ask myself if Bush has done exactly what he promised to do: protect the USA from terrorism.

Certainly he did some dumb and highly unethical things (declaring WMD's were in Iraq on shoddy evidence anyone?), but that doesn't mean he was wrong to think invading Iraq would help keep terrorism clear of the USA. You have to wonder how the whole thing would have gone down if McCain had been at the helm of the military from the beginning. He wanted to send more troops in the first place. Imagine if the surge numbers had been there from the beginning and the militants had never become entrenched.........

 

Let me tell you somthing: I live in Manhattan. I was 1/2 a mile from ground Zero on 911. I don't need to describe to you the rage I felt watching those planes slam into those towers. I don't need to tell you how you could smell the burning bodies for weeks afterwards. Then your boy Bush sends our troops into IRAQ? What about Osama Bin Ladin? What like him and Sadamm were chilling up in IRAQ? There were no weapons of mass destruction! There isn't even any oil to jack!

Now our boys (and girls) out there and sit and wait to die. They don't even get to die in combat with honor. They're running over land mines.  They come home with no arms. No legs. Or tagged in a bag.  And where is Osama Bin?  He's still free. And I'm still disgusted. 

3rd Bush term? More of my fellow countrymen dead in Iraq? Hell no!

 

 



McCain will do much better than Obama.
He is ready to altar his promise of pulling the military out of Iraq.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080704/ap_on_el_pr/obama_iraq_21

I like Obama, but since he became a candidate, he has changed his tone about few things (war, campaign funds). He is a politician after all. There is big change coming.



superchunk said:
Obama would be better.

Due to McCain's stubbornness he would be more reluctant to listen to the advisers and do his own thing.

Obama on the other hand has no military experience and would take his adviser's opinions with great interest. Plus, he just seems smarter in general.

Wait so you think his inexperience is a GOOD thing?

@topic,

This one is McCain hands down for me, not even a contest. Luckily for Obama this isn't the only issue, especially judging by that poll.

I just wonder how many of the No's for Obama and the No's for McCain in this poll are from people who can't pull their noses away from the other candidates ass long enough to give a serious answer. I'm really getting sick of the blind following mentality candidates and parties have going for them.



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Leetgeek said:

Let me tell you somthing: I live in Manhattan. I was 1/2 a mile from ground Zero on 911. I don't need to describe to you the rage I felt watching those planes slam into those towers. I don't need to tell you how you could smell the burning bodies for weeks afterwards. Then your boy Bush sends our troops into IRAQ? What about Osama Bin Ladin? What like him and Sadamm were chilling up in IRAQ? There were no weapons of mass destruction! There isn't even any oil to jack!

Now our boys (and girls) out there and sit and wait to die. They don't even get to die in combat with honor. They're running over land mines.  They come home with no arms. No legs. Or tagged in a bag.  And where is Osama Bin?  He's still free. And I'm still disgusted. 

3rd Bush term? More of my fellow countrymen dead in Iraq? Hell no!

I'm very sorry for the situation you were in, but I won't let you pretend I said things I didn't, nor progogate Obama's spin at will unchallenged.

- I did NOT say anything about American rage.  I didn't use it as an argument for or against the Iraq war.

- At no point did I say (or even create the impression) that I had any affection for George W. Bush.

- On a side note, if you'd watched the news in the last two days you'd see the Iraqi government has just started putting out oil contracts to foreign companies to increase domestic production.

- What I DID say is that on September 11, 2001, EVERY militant islamist out their heard a call to arms and was inspired to rise up against America.  Back before he looked like he had a shot at nomination, even OBAMA acknowledged that he had to give George Bush significant credit for the prevention of terrorist acts in the USA post 9/11.  Iraq is certainly not the only reason Bush managed to do this, but it certainly plays a part.

- War, no war, is ever pretty, or clean, or intrinsically good.  As I said, I don't know if the Iraq war was a rightious one (certainly it wasn't based on the WMD argument), but if it had been fought how it is being fought now from the beginning I suspect public opinion AND the situation on the ground would be very different.  McCain OPPOSED most of Bush's operational decisions.

- Osama Bin Laden is on the Pakistani/Afgahnistani border.  You remember Afgahnistan?  That would be the war NATO and most of the world thinks is a good war that was Bush's brainchild.  The one noone gives him credit for when its going well, but everyone attacks him over when its going poorly.  Thats much like the Iraq war.  For three years the Democrats couldn't shutup about it, but now its going well they can't get away from the issue fast enough.

- Finally I would like to ask you a question.  Say Obama gets in.  What do you think will change?  Apart from the fact we'd now have an inexperienced leader who has no discernible military knowledge, Obama COULDN'T simply withdraw the troops.  The bloodbath that would be caused by a premature American withdrawal would cop the USA FAR more flak than being there in the first-place.  Leaving the Iraqi's defensless could prove to be the biggest warcrime of the last two decades.  No matter who gets in in November, the USA isn't leaving Iraq anytime soon.



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steven787 said:
starcraft said:
steven787 said:
If you mean manage peace and keep an able military for defense, than I don't.

Keeping an able military (welfare state, health system or infrastructure) requires sound economic policy.

In a debate on sound economic policy, the word "Obama" should not even be alluded too.

 

 

Actually, the health of the economy has very little to do with who the president is.  If it did then we would be in real big trouble no matter which one of the two were elected.

To sum it up:

Strengths:

McCain: Maverick moderate will return once the election is over whether he wins or loses, world powers like him, good understanding of workings of government. Very understanding of the world as it is.

Obama: Good talker, world powers like him more, gets americans motivated (biggest strength).

Weaknesses:

McCain: Stuck in his ways, international realist views are unrealistic, if he wins there are going to be a lot of pissed republicans in 4 years.

Obama: Speeches are naive, international positions are unworkable with congress, people are going to be disappointed in 4 years when US isn't turned into a European country.

Both are better than Bush, because they are not complete idiots and both are very able to run the government with out running it into the ground.

The problem here is that nothing in Obama's strengths you've listed provides a practical means of tackling the crippling problems facing America and the world today.  Though the President's control over the economy is more limited than in some other countries, it is not insignificant.  If nothing else financial markets react to even the slightest miscalculation in words from a US president.

McCain certainly doesn't appear to be stuck in his ways, and even if he is he's easily the most middle-of-the-road canditate.  One MASSIVE problem I have with Obama's policy-stock is his health policy.  It's a recipe for a state-funded health system of an even more epic proportion than the current disaster.  Talk about unsustainable.

 



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