He shot 3 times. You'd think after 1 or 2 shots he'd notice they're not even facing him. Unless they were running at him backwards, he had no reason to keep shooting. He wanted to kill them, which is what he was telling the cops on the phone, and they were telling him to stay in his house.
| steven787 said: Who is to decide whether he was in danger or not, he caught two people robbing his neighbor. If he hadn't have shot they might have been running the other direction (towards him). |
Maybe that person walking down the street is going to turn around and attack you, you better shoot him in the back too.
That is the most ridiculously large maybe, a person whose neighbor is being robbed is clearly not in any direct danger of losing his life. To claim that this is shooting in self defense is entirely absurd.
I've heard the phone call on the radio, the guy is nuts. He should be locked up for psychological reasons. Still, the act itself was not wrong. he was protecting his neighbors property when he shot the two people who were carrying things out.
911 dispatchers and police officers are not lawyers, judges, or jurors. They provide a valuable service but judging, punishing, advising, counseling, and interpreting laws and norms are not part of their jobs.
He gave warning (not even a requirement). The police still hadn't been there after 8 minutes from the time the call originated. Where were the police? How long after he hung did the police show up?
You shouldn't be outraged over the crazy guy, you should be outraged that the wealthiest nation in the world can't provide adequate police service, that all the wealth of its people is being blown on wars, weapons, and aide abroad instead of providing services for the taxpayers.
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Where'd you read that? I didn't see it in the sauce superchunk linked us to. |
they mentioned it on the news earlier.
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| steven787 said: I've heard the phone call on the radio, the guy is nuts. He should be locked up for psychological reasons. Still, the act itself was not wrong. he was protecting his neighbors property when he shot the two people who were carrying things out. 911 dispatchers and police officers are not lawyers, judges, or jurors. They provide a valuable service but judging, punishing, advising, counseling, and interpreting laws and norms are not part of their jobs. He gave warning (not even a requirement). The police still hadn't been there after 8 minutes from the time the call originated. Where were the police? How long after he hung did the police show up? You shouldn't be outraged over the crazy guy, you should be outraged that the wealthiest nation in the world can't provide adequate police service, that all the wealth of its people is being blown on wars, weapons, and aide abroad instead of providing services for the taxpayers. |
Interfering was not wrong. Shooting them 3 times in the back with a shotgun while they were posing no threat was murder. He had no reason to shoot 3 times. He had no reason to shoot to kill. He had good reason to try to stop them, but he could have shot their legs. He wanted to kill them, just like he told the cops before he even went outside. He is a psycho and a murderer.
I'm outraged over both!
MrBubbles said:
they mentioned it on the news earlier. |
Oh word. Haha. What fucking idiots. That's just classic gold lulz.
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Interfering was not wrong. Shooting them 3 times in the back with a shotgun while they were posing no threat was murder. He had no reason to shoot 3 times. He had no reason to shoot to kill. He had good reason to try to stop them, but he could have shot their legs. He wanted to kill them, just like he told the cops before he even went outside. He is a psycho and a murderer. I'm outraged over both! |
Like I said, he should be locked up, but for different reasons. Just trying to think about it legally, (I am going to law school in 13 months after all).
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
| Kyros said: Interfering was not wrong. Shooting them 3 times in the back with a shotgun while they were posing no threat was murder. He had no reason to shoot 3 times. He had no reason to shoot to kill. He had good reason to try to stop them, but he could have shot their legs. He wanted to kill them, just like he told the cops before he even went outside. He is a psycho and a murderer. If it happened like it sounds (and they didn't have weapons etc.) then QFT |
How is he supposed to know he didn't have a gun.
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
Or the law should be changed because it is quite frankly ridiculous.
Bah I'm not entirely happy with New Zealand law at all points (our abortion and gay marriage laws aren't perfect for example) but I'm sure glad we at least got our laws right as far as self defense and guns go.
Edit: @Steven. Shooting somebody because it is theoretically possible that they have a gun, despite the fact that they are indeed running in the opposite direction to you, is still murder and not self-defense.
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