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SamuelRSmith said:
MrBubbles said:
SamuelRSmith said:

 Very rarely do you hear of an elitist slob.

Are you sure that you didn't just put that because the Obama's happen to be about a cm closer to the left than the McCain's?

 

 Even a slob can percieve themselves to be better than everyone.

They are more than a bit to the left btw.  lol.   But that had nothing to do with this...as you will notice i didnt even mention that shes a communist.

 One thing I've never understood about America is their hate for communism, though it is flawed; yet love capitalism, though it is flawed (probably got something to do with the load of bull that is "the American dream".

And, no, in the grand scheme of things, the Democrats are still very much right-wing.

Woah, watch out there fella. A good number of Vgchartz members are from the United States, and I'm one of them, so I'll do my best to answer your nonsensical question.

A lot of it is a simple history lesson. After World War II, both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were the two remaining world super powers. Super power nations naturally have a tendency towards having large influence over the known world, as such is their tendency (Rome, Mongol Khanates, etc.). You don't think that the U.S.S.R. and present day communist nations hate democracy?

Communism puts limits on free speech, which is the most basic rule of democracy and also the U.S. Bill of Rights. Then again, I feel that I'm setting myself up for a bad argument here, but oh well.

 



 

 

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obama could only be considered a centrist by those who willfully ignore what he actually says.



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MontanaHatchet said:

Woah, watch out there fella. A good number of Vgchartz members are from the United States, and I'm one of them, so I'll do my best to answer your nonsensical question.

A lot of it is a simple history lesson. After World War II, both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were the two remaining world super powers. Super power nations naturally have a tendency towards having large influence over the known world, as such is their tendency (Rome, Mongol Khanates, etc.). You don't think that the U.S.S.R. and present day communist nations hate democracy?

Communism puts limits on free speech, which is the most basic rule of democracy and also the U.S. Bill of Rights. Then again, I feel that I'm setting myself up for a bad argument here, but oh well.

 

 

Communism doesn't put limits on free speech. In theory Communism is as good a form, if not a better form, of government as democracy. Its just that all large scale attempts at communism end up with dictatorships. Communism has ended up as more of an ideal than a legitimate form of governance .

Edit: @MrBubbles.

He could also be considered centrist by anybody from most places in western Europe, Australia or New Zealand.



MontanaHatchet said:
SamuelRSmith said:
MrBubbles said:
SamuelRSmith said:

 Very rarely do you hear of an elitist slob.

Are you sure that you didn't just put that because the Obama's happen to be about a cm closer to the left than the McCain's?

 

 Even a slob can percieve themselves to be better than everyone.

They are more than a bit to the left btw.  lol.   But that had nothing to do with this...as you will notice i didnt even mention that shes a communist.

 One thing I've never understood about America is their hate for communism, though it is flawed; yet love capitalism, though it is flawed (probably got something to do with the load of bull that is "the American dream".

And, no, in the grand scheme of things, the Democrats are still very much right-wing.

Woah, watch out there fella. A good number of Vgchartz members are from the United States, and I'm one of them, so I'll do my best to answer your nonsensical question.

A lot of it is a simple history lesson. After World War II, both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were the two remaining world super powers. Super power nations naturally have a tendency towards having large influence over the known world, as such is their tendency (Rome, Mongol Khanates, etc.). You don't think that the U.S.S.R. and present day communist nations hate democracy?

Communism puts limits on free speech, which is the most basic rule of democracy and also the U.S. Bill of Rights. Then again, I feel that I'm setting myself up for a bad argument here, but oh well.

 

Communism, by definition, has no effect on a person's "freedom of speech", communism is merely the idea that everyone is equal, and so they are entitled to an equal share of everything. Most countries who have been communist though, haven't had true communism, as they have had a leader, if there was a true communist state, there would be no leader, no dictator, and so they would be entitled to the same civil rights as any American, or European, or etc.

Communism, if enough people wanted it, would work directly along side democracy, or, there would be no need for a democracy. Unfortunatly, many people are greedy, and nothing ever gets done in this world without the promise of a financial gain.



Rath said:
MontanaHatchet said:

Woah, watch out there fella. A good number of Vgchartz members are from the United States, and I'm one of them, so I'll do my best to answer your nonsensical question.

A lot of it is a simple history lesson. After World War II, both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were the two remaining world super powers. Super power nations naturally have a tendency towards having large influence over the known world, as such is their tendency (Rome, Mongol Khanates, etc.). You don't think that the U.S.S.R. and present day communist nations hate democracy?

Communism puts limits on free speech, which is the most basic rule of democracy and also the U.S. Bill of Rights. Then again, I feel that I'm setting myself up for a bad argument here, but oh well.

 

 

Communism doesn't put limits on free speech. In theory Communism is as good a form, if not a better form, of government as democracy. Its just that all large scale attempts at communism end up with dictatorships. Communism has ended up as more of an ideal than a legitimate form of governance .

Yes...perhaps I should have phrased it better. Agree with third sentence, disagree with second, want to avoid said argument like the plague.

 



 

 

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MrBubbles said:
obama could only be considered a centrist by those who willfully ignore what he actually says.

 

 Or by those who know better.



MontanaHatchet said:
SamuelRSmith said:
MrBubbles said:
SamuelRSmith said:

 Very rarely do you hear of an elitist slob.

Are you sure that you didn't just put that because the Obama's happen to be about a cm closer to the left than the McCain's?

 

 Even a slob can percieve themselves to be better than everyone.

They are more than a bit to the left btw.  lol.   But that had nothing to do with this...as you will notice i didnt even mention that shes a communist.

 One thing I've never understood about America is their hate for communism, though it is flawed; yet love capitalism, though it is flawed (probably got something to do with the load of bull that is "the American dream".

And, no, in the grand scheme of things, the Democrats are still very much right-wing.

Woah, watch out there fella. A good number of Vgchartz members are from the United States, and I'm one of them, so I'll do my best to answer your nonsensical question.

A lot of it is a simple history lesson. After World War II, both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were the two remaining world super powers. Super power nations naturally have a tendency towards having large influence over the known world, as such is their tendency (Rome, Mongol Khanates, etc.). You don't think that the U.S.S.R. and present day communist nations hate democracy?

Communism puts limits on free speech, which is the most basic rule of democracy and also the U.S. Bill of Rights. Then again, I feel that I'm setting myself up for a bad argument here, but oh well.

 

Communism isn't supposed to limit free speech though.  It's just that whenever there's a communist revolution, one asshead takes over and starts killing everybody and going nuts and basically creates a fascist state with government slave labor.  It's not what Marx or Lenin would've wanted.  It's like communism was a really good book that nobody read, but it's been adapted into a bunch of really shitty movies and everybody's seen the movies and assumed the book sucks.

 

@MrBubbles, they mean that on a global scale, Obama comes off as a centrist, but in the U.S. the whole scale shifts to the right so centrists look super-liberal, and our right-wing is the rightest around.



Yes, Obama is such a centrist. Look at his vast amount of Republican ideologies which perfectly balance his Democratic ideologies.



 

 

I know what they mean, i just happen to disagree with it :)



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
MontanaHatchet said:
SamuelRSmith said:
MrBubbles said:
SamuelRSmith said:

 Very rarely do you hear of an elitist slob.

Are you sure that you didn't just put that because the Obama's happen to be about a cm closer to the left than the McCain's?

 

 Even a slob can percieve themselves to be better than everyone.

They are more than a bit to the left btw.  lol.   But that had nothing to do with this...as you will notice i didnt even mention that shes a communist.

 One thing I've never understood about America is their hate for communism, though it is flawed; yet love capitalism, though it is flawed (probably got something to do with the load of bull that is "the American dream".

And, no, in the grand scheme of things, the Democrats are still very much right-wing.

Woah, watch out there fella. A good number of Vgchartz members are from the United States, and I'm one of them, so I'll do my best to answer your nonsensical question.

A lot of it is a simple history lesson. After World War II, both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were the two remaining world super powers. Super power nations naturally have a tendency towards having large influence over the known world, as such is their tendency (Rome, Mongol Khanates, etc.). You don't think that the U.S.S.R. and present day communist nations hate democracy?

Communism puts limits on free speech, which is the most basic rule of democracy and also the U.S. Bill of Rights. Then again, I feel that I'm setting myself up for a bad argument here, but oh well.

 

Communism isn't supposed to limit free speech though.  It's just that whenever there's a communist revolution, one asshead takes over and starts killing everybody and going nuts and basically creates a fascist state with government slave labor.  It's not what Marx or Lenin would've wanted.  It's like communism was a really good book that nobody read, but it's been adapted into a bunch of really shitty movies and everybody's seen the movies and assumed the book sucks.

 

@MrBubbles, they mean that on a global scale, Obama comes off as a centrist, but in the U.S. the whole scale shifts to the right so centrists look super-liberal, and our right-wing is the rightest around.

Garr, if it wasn't 5 in the morning I would have added, "it ends up," but I didn't.