Pc games aren't Coop in the same way and many of the games are RPGs which attract a different market segment.

The OP is right on about everything thats exactly why i bough my 360 to play online with Halo 3 and what not and im very happy with it many of my friends bought a 360 for the same reason

I don mind you talking about the best points off the 360. They should however be the best points of the 360 , you just made a list of some general things and made them sound like noone else had them. I never touched the list of games you put there as you may have noticed since some of them are what defines the 360 and seperates them from the rest.

The list you made now is full off titles that can be bought cheaper on PC. If anything, a lot of these titles are more likely to draw people to pc if they look at the price difference. Put in the cost of the ad suported live you still have to pay for and numerous people that don have a 360 yet will simply get it on pc. 

I wasn't talking "the best points" I was talking about the best exclusive Coop/Multiplayer oportunities that are exclusive to the Xbox360 console.

The close tie in with the PC is an advantage, not a disadvantage. No other console gets as many cross platform titles and it supports both platforms with games that would otherwise have not been made. Im a PC gamer by heart, I have two gaming PCs as well as a full complement of consoles. Im not talking about my own preferences or what I will do, Im talking about the actions of others and how they respond to the chance to buy these games and how they could quite easily help spread the Xbox360s market influence because of "Social interactions of gamers". If your friends got an Xbox360 and you want to play the game with him, you're not going to consider upgrading your pc if you really want to play that game, you're more likely to buy a 360.

I will probably play quite a few of these titles with Xbox360 owners on this site. I don't care that I have a pc gaming machine, its the social interaction im looking for.

Squilliam said: starcraft said: Shame I'm off to bed. Everything in your OP is full of win. More comments tomorrow if the thread survives. Night Squilliam. Thanks! Im off to bed too, im well overdue myself. Damn Civ IV makes me stay up! One last point: Microsoft understands network effects better than most companies in existance. Their entire business model depends on it. So it makes sense that they would implement their strategies around causing people to bring their friends into their camp. Thats the reason why they implemented multiplayer so strongly and why they included a headset in the Pro model. Its to get people to involve their friends. Granted, the Wii's done it better so far but it looks like the lineup of games come together so well on this point that it scares me.

NO WAY!!!! I'm PLAYING CIV IV AS WELL!?!

Lol.  But I royally suck at the game, so I have to stay up to get better. 

starcraft said: Squilliam said: starcraft said: Shame I'm off to bed. Everything in your OP is full of win. More comments tomorrow if the thread survives. Night Squilliam. Thanks! Im off to bed too, im well overdue myself. Damn Civ IV makes me stay up! One last point: Microsoft understands network effects better than most companies in existance. Their entire business model depends on it. So it makes sense that they would implement their strategies around causing people to bring their friends into their camp. Thats the reason why they implemented multiplayer so strongly and why they included a headset in the Pro model. Its to get people to involve their friends. Granted, the Wii's done it better so far but it looks like the lineup of games come together so well on this point that it scares me. NO WAY!!!! I'm PLAYING CIV IV AS WELL!?! Lol.  But I royally suck at the game, so I have to stay up to get better.

Its an awesome game, I own warlords and Civ IV but I downloaded beyond the sword because I was lazy and wanted to have a lookie. I think once I get used to it, it will be even better. The AI plays much smarter and less predictibly.

Im currently playing as a Noble - Medium I guess, but I used to be able to win 80% of the time on price. I kinda don't have the attention span at the moment. Sometimes im playing civ 4 and every few turns I hit refresh on the main page to see if anything interesting is happening.

What Civs do you like? I almost always go brits because they have a rocking start and financial lets me pay for a big empire. I should try going a religious civ and get some $$$ thru religeon.

I picked up the "complete" thingo with sword and warlords included a week ago. I suck, but I'm slowly getting better lol.

I've been playing as the Japanese a lot lately. I've honestly never seen a game like it. Its scope and depth is incredible. Theres always something else that can be researched, always another trade deal that can be negotiated.

Thing is that it will eat a lot of your time! But you can save some by using the accelerated start option.

Also, if your civ starts with mining - heres a killer start. Have your first unit scout in a circle around your first city. Get bronze working as your first tech, then make your first 3 units to produce - Worker, Worker, Settler. Use the workers to cut trees 100% of the time if you can until the settler comes out. At this point you can decide - if you get bronze, whether or not you want to go on the attack. The other techs you get at this time depend on what resources you have near your first city. Lots of food? Get Pottery, Animals? Get animal husbandry or hunting.