Ac with a huge advertisement on the magazines, advertisements of the magazines on the game, well you don't have to tell me why they gave so huge scores =p.

has there ever been a MGS4 thread that doesn't include a Rocketpig argument about the story against someone else?

Well, the story is admiteddley a bit wishy washy....

I don't really think I'm arguing with anyone...

That's not false, but still, doesn't Rocketpig ever get the feeling that he's walking in circles at this point?

I dunno bro, I just get the feeling that things get heated when the thread consist of MG's story plus you, especially when you're at one end forcing your reasoning to the other.

Only when DTG is around. I'm perfectly happy to peacefully talk about the MGS series as long as no one keeps repeating how enlightening it is and how it's one of the greatest works of the 20th century (the mind reels in horror at that line).

I'm getting more and more excited to play MGS4. Despite my vitriol toward parts of the series, I love the Snake character and want to see how it all goes down in the end. 

 According to people that've played through the game there are good explanations for things like that in MGS4.

Oh boy, now I'm even more interested to play the game.

I like MGS for the same reasons I like Lost... If taken light-heartedly, impossible happenings, faux intrigue, and convoluted stories can be kinda fun even if the Cheese Meter shoots through the roof at points.

Yeah, Shane Bettenhausen (already beat it) of EGM stated that explanation and reasoning behind Liquid's hand on Ocelot is something that's really unexpected and will blindside everyone.