Godot said: I am less worried about the revival of the PS3 in Japan than the decline of the Final Fantasy series. I mean, the 3 FF on PS1 did great. The 2 FF on PS2 did quite good but not as well as on PS1. However, they costed more to make and took longer. Now, FFXIII will be the most expensive and might get worse sales than FFX. I am worried about it and I think SE are as well.

you shouldnt be that worried.

A. Youre still getting the awesome game no matter the sales

B. It will still sell a boat load.

C. Leave the worrying to SE

If there is 1 game in the whole entire history in mankind that will save a system, it's Final Fantasy.

If Square hadn't jumped ship to Playstation there wouldn't be a PS2 let alone a PS3.

Foshoryuken said: If there is 1 game in the whole entire history in mankind that will save a system, it's Final Fantasy. If Square hadn't jumped ship to Playstation there wouldn't be a PS2 let alone a PS3.

 Umm proof?

PooperScooper said: Godot said: I am less worried about the revival of the PS3 in Japan than the decline of the Final Fantasy series. I mean, the 3 FF on PS1 did great. The 2 FF on PS2 did quite good but not as well as on PS1. However, they costed more to make and took longer. Now, FFXIII will be the most expensive and might get worse sales than FFX. I am worried about it and I think SE are as well. you shouldnt be that worried. A. Youre still getting the awesome game no matter the sales B. It will still sell a boat load. C. Leave the worrying to SE

Yeah you're right but I didn't like that 10000 spinoffs we've seen lately so I fear the quality might decline if they start not making as much money as they did anymore. For now, at least, FFXIII and FFXIII versus both look awesome so I am not worrying right now. 

There's no doubt FFXIII will sell amazingly well and boost some hardware sales but 'revive'? Probably not.

Why not? It's very likely that by the time FFXIII finally rolls around there will be a lot of other RPGs announced for Wii and a lot of RPG lovers will simply opt to save their money and get the FF:CC2, MH3, KH3, DQXI and the RPG Nintendo is working on, etc., etc., instead.

FFXIII is just too little, too late. If it had come out already, then maybe it could have helped turn things around, but by '09 PS3's fate will be sealed (at least until Wii hits 20m in Japan)

starcraft said: MikeB said: colonelstubbs said: The final fantasy series has ALWAYS repeat ALWAYS sold fantastically in Japan. Its not unreasonable to suggest FF13 will be a huge seller and boost the console. Theres no way this would take it past the Wii though, but then, that shouldnt be Sonys aim anymore The PS3 is specced ahead for its time (of course this is reflected on price/hardware losses). The PS3 could well outlast the PS2's lifecycle for many years, the PS2 will probably sell about 140 million, IMO Sony should aim to better this. But of course everything in due time, if the PS3 sold twice as many units as it did and the PS2 would have been discontinued IMO Sony would have been in serious financial problems. Once the hardware is cost reduced enough, bring on the mass market sales. You put too much stock in specs, when all the evidence says the console wars haven't been about specs for a long time. The PS2 didn't have a long tail because of it's specs, it had it because it gained momentum and held it, garnered a massive userbase, and had an on-going massive majority of third party support. At this point, the PS3 has none of those things. If it lasts as long as the PS3, it will only be because Sony puts it on lifesupport, and it will never sell more than 75 million consoles. Frankly, I don't see it selling more than 45 million before the new console are out. 75 million by the time it dies is EXTREMELY optomistic, let-alone the possibility of beating 140 million. Your last paragraph is the most contradictory. In the video game industry, success breeds success, not the other way around. Even when Microsoft subsidised the Xbox, and Nintendo priced the Gamecube below the the PS2, sales didn't explode, because they did not have a history of success in that generation with regard to sales, software and mindshare. The PS3 is not the Gamecube of this generation, because this generation has no Gamecube, but it is safe to say that it's sales are not about to experience PS2-like gains this generation. Only the Wii can lay claim to those sorts of sales, and the PS3 has a direct competitor that can do everything it can do game-wise in the Xbox 360, a console that currently has BETTER third-party support than Sony's machine.

It's never been about the specs. Even back with the NES.

The Sega Mega Drive was a failure in Japan because of the NES. The thing was dead in Japan before the SNES ever came out. Japan, you've got to have the goods upfront.

Ironically the Genisis was the HD console of it's era. As even then the other companies tried to paint Nintendo as kiddy... partially due to Nintendo backing down to the senators, while Sega kept it bloody and invented terms like "Blast Processing" to suggest the Mega Drive was way more impressive.

The whole thing worked... with the teen audience. But failed elsewhere... and eventually the SNES prevailed in America.

Sega I believe captured the undeveloped Europeon market though. Europe's never really been Nintendo land.

Kasz216 said: It's never been about the specs. Even back with the NES. The Sega Mega Drive was a failure in Japan because of the NES. The thing was dead in Japan before the SNES ever came out. Japan, you've got to have the goods upfront. Ironically the Genisis was the HD console of it's era. As even then the other companies tried to paint Nintendo as kiddy... partially due to Nintendo backing down to the senators, while Sega kept it bloody and invented terms like "Blast Processing" to suggest the Mega Drive was way more impressive. The whole thing worked... with the teen audience. But failed elsewhere... and eventually the SNES prevailed in America. Sega I believe captured the undeveloped Europeon market though. Europe's never really been Nintendo land.

I agree.  I think MikeB believes that the slimmest of processor advantages over the Xbox 360 is going to result in some sort of enormous eleventh hour boost for the PS3 to the detriment of Microsoft and Nintendo, but making this assumption belays everything we know about how the industry works and the success-breeds-success principle.

 

starcraft said: Kasz216 said: It's never been about the specs. Even back with the NES. The Sega Mega Drive was a failure in Japan because of the NES. The thing was dead in Japan before the SNES ever came out. Japan, you've got to have the goods upfront. Ironically the Genisis was the HD console of it's era. As even then the other companies tried to paint Nintendo as kiddy... partially due to Nintendo backing down to the senators, while Sega kept it bloody and invented terms like "Blast Processing" to suggest the Mega Drive was way more impressive. The whole thing worked... with the teen audience. But failed elsewhere... and eventually the SNES prevailed in America. Sega I believe captured the undeveloped Europeon market though. Europe's never really been Nintendo land. I agree. I think MikeB believes that the slimmest of processor advantages over the Xbox 360 is going to result in some sort of enormous eleventh hour boost for the PS3 to the detriment of Microsoft and Nintendo, but making this assumption belays everything we know about how the industry works and the success-breeds-success principle.

What, that's not what he told me. According to him, the PS3 will win because it's on a ten year plan and by the time the next generation consoles will come out, the PS3 will hold an advantage over those more powerful consoles due to being cheaper to develop for (due to its lower specs) and having a higher install base but the PS3 won't be harmed by the Wii because people want more powerful consoles to play more technically impressive games. Go ahead and read his posts, that's what I got from him.

 

totalwar23 said: starcraft said: Kasz216 said: It's never been about the specs. Even back with the NES. The Sega Mega Drive was a failure in Japan because of the NES. The thing was dead in Japan before the SNES ever came out. Japan, you've got to have the goods upfront. Ironically the Genisis was the HD console of it's era. As even then the other companies tried to paint Nintendo as kiddy... partially due to Nintendo backing down to the senators, while Sega kept it bloody and invented terms like "Blast Processing" to suggest the Mega Drive was way more impressive. The whole thing worked... with the teen audience. But failed elsewhere... and eventually the SNES prevailed in America. Sega I believe captured the undeveloped Europeon market though. Europe's never really been Nintendo land. I agree. I think MikeB believes that the slimmest of processor advantages over the Xbox 360 is going to result in some sort of enormous eleventh hour boost for the PS3 to the detriment of Microsoft and Nintendo, but making this assumption belays everything we know about how the industry works and the success-breeds-success principle.   What, that's not what he told me. According to him, the PS3 will win because it's on a ten year plan and by the time the next generation consoles will come out, the PS3 will hold an advantage over those more powerful consoles due to being cheaper to develop for (due to its lower specs) and having a higher install base but the PS3 won't be harmed by the Wii because people want more powerful consoles to play more technically impressive games. Go ahead and read his posts, that's what I got from him.

He says both things, both in this thread and in others.  Each are fundamentally illogical assumptions.  The former ignores the fact that the most powerful console hasn't won in the last two generations, and the latter (and this is quite a contradiction) attempts to make a comparision between the PS3 and the PS2 with regard to lifespans and sales. 

The problem is MikeB is assuming the PS3 will have the same kind of tail the PS2 did saleswise, even though every indicator (be it sales, price or third party support) we have dictates that this will not be the case. 

 

totalwar23 said: starcraft said: Kasz216 said: It's never been about the specs. Even back with the NES. The Sega Mega Drive was a failure in Japan because of the NES. The thing was dead in Japan before the SNES ever came out. Japan, you've got to have the goods upfront. Ironically the Genisis was the HD console of it's era. As even then the other companies tried to paint Nintendo as kiddy... partially due to Nintendo backing down to the senators, while Sega kept it bloody and invented terms like "Blast Processing" to suggest the Mega Drive was way more impressive. The whole thing worked... with the teen audience. But failed elsewhere... and eventually the SNES prevailed in America. Sega I believe captured the undeveloped Europeon market though. Europe's never really been Nintendo land. I agree. I think MikeB believes that the slimmest of processor advantages over the Xbox 360 is going to result in some sort of enormous eleventh hour boost for the PS3 to the detriment of Microsoft and Nintendo, but making this assumption belays everything we know about how the industry works and the success-breeds-success principle.   What, that's not what he told me. According to him, the PS3 will win because it's on a ten year plan and by the time the next generation consoles will come out, the PS3 will hold an advantage over those more powerful consoles due to being cheaper to develop for (due to its lower specs) and having a higher install base but the PS3 won't be harmed by the Wii because people want more powerful consoles to play more technically impressive games. Go ahead and read his posts, that's what I got from him.

The question is... why would they? Why would Nintendo release another console if Sony hasn't? It kinda seems like the Wii is going to end up being the NES all over again. They aren't going to bother replacing it until it needs to be replaced.


Which would be either when Sony releases a new console or the new Xbox becomes successful. Which would defeat Sony's point either way.

I mean, it's all explained up their mostly. The Mega Drive wasn't a big hit in America because it was higher specced. It was a big hit because their advertising campaign convinced America it was the "Cool" system. That's not going to work of a system that's been out 5+ years.

Had Sega not done so and the Master System failed... Nintendo probably would of rode the NES even longer then it did. A strategy like that... where their is no PS4 in 5-6 years just gives microsoft a big advantage.  Eventually PS3 will be forced to move.