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Why don't we just let it die. We all had a good laugh this morning about this nonsense and now it's done. The mysteries been figured out and life will go on. That small site can do whatever they want with their numbers because it's theirs to screw with. I doubt a single person here would even know or care had this not directly affected Zelda so just leave it be.



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LordTheNightKnight said:

Since it's cubed3.com that screwed up the review, and not gamerankings.com, let't look at what happened. That site apparently decided to switch to a 10 point system instead of 100 point. Okay, not a problem.

So since Ocarina of Time got a 99 score, it would have to be adjusted. However, laws of mathematics clearly state that when rounding, anything from 5 or higher is rounded up. Therefore, since the review was so close to 10, the review should have been adjusted to 10, not 9.

The key here would be if they had actually reconsidered the review. If they had looked at it and decided it was just a 9 game, and not a 10 game, that wouldn't be a problem. If it was just adjusting the numbers, that is a problem. Math isn't a negotiable system, at least not if you are just working with raw numbers, which is what they were doing.

So should we ask cubed3 what it was they did?


You know, for someone going on about mathematics so much, this whole conversation wouldn't have been needed if you had simply realized they truncated instead of rounding.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
twesterm said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
DKII said:
They cut off all decimals, everything was rounded down, not just OoT.

Then there is a problem. This has nothing to do with the reviews. It has to do with screwing with the math. Rounding is not down or up by your choice.


Actually it is their choice.

 


No. The laws of math don't work that way. If they actually decided that every review was lower than they thought, then okay. If they were just deciding to blanket adjust, based on the numbers, and not their reviews of the games, they are fudging the numbers.

If they had originally decided OoT was close, but no 10, as other suggested, that would not be an issue, but every game with a decimal above 5 are close, but not those numbers? That is just wrong. That is just hacking off the second numbers. That isn't real adjustment, that is being lazy.


Rounding is not a mathematical law, it is convention. Plus, as was just mentioned, this was truncated rather than rounded.

his thread is silly as all of the other games on the site recieved the same treatment. Besides, I think it makes sense, these people rated some games 9.5 to 9.9 for a reason, they didn't think it quite made the workings of a '10' game. If they did tha, then we would have some people complaining how many 10's they just threw around... you can't please everyone.



TheRealMafoo said:
kn said:
TheRealMafoo said:
a 9.9 in a lot of reviewers eyes, is more then .1 less then a 10. my guess, is the reason they gave it a 9.9 in the first place was because they wanted to give it the best score that's not a 10.

They changed there ranking system, and it still has the best score that's not a 10.

Question though: Why do you care?

I can't put words in his mouth about why he cares but I'll add my opinion where it wasn't asked for. I haven't played Ocarina nor do I care to. I'm not a Zelda fan to begin with so it is pointless. I do hate one thing in life with a passion, though -- and that is revisionist history. If the game scored a 9.9, it should be a 10 in their new system. If this were happening to GTAIV instead of Ocarina, the internet blogs would be ablaze with accusations of bias, payoff, fanboyisms, etc.


It wasn't a 10 for them then, why should it be a 10 now? I am sure the reviewer thought to himself "Wow, this game is perfect, other then this one thing I must ding it for".

That one thing is still there, so he would still ding the game for it, and give it the best score posable that's does not mean "perfect".

I don't care where games rank, but if you want to be fair about it all, giving it a 9 if you are on a whole point system, seems to better reperasent what the origonal reviewer meant then giving it a 10.


 Perhaps so, but that "one thing" that kept it from being a 10 was a 1% ding.  Now it is a 10% hit.  Was that one thing a reason to dock the game 10% of the overall score?  They should have left well enough alone and just revised going forward instead of doing it in arrears.  One thing is certain, however, and that is they got their site in the headlines in a big way.  I've never been to their site and I suspect the vast majority of VGC members have not, either.  They certainly are better known now...  possible mission accomplished?



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Kyros said:
you have to round up.


No you haven't. Rounding to the nearest decimal, rounding up or rounding down are three equally valid options that are used in different situations.
IF this is done for prices in stores its generally rounded down. If its your pay amounts are normally rounded up and grades in school are often rounded to the nearest number. There are no mathematical rules how you have to round.

There are different methods of calculating rounding, but they still say you round up. Stores are adjusting the prices, not doing straight rounding. 

As for onyxmeth, it doesn't matter if Zelda triggered this. The promt to leading to a faulty system does not make the grievance agains that system illegitimate. 



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Fuck it. If they truncated, whatever. If they though OoT wasn't a 10, then that's their choice. I would like to see a proper explanation of what they did.

Not asking for a link. I'm going to look it up.

Although it's kind of funny how most of those defending this seemed to be the ones agreeing that OoT shouldn't have been on top. I could be wrong though. I just notice I'm only getting arguments from a few of you.

Also, right or wrong. cubed3 had lousy timing in making this adjustment. It is going to look suspicious simply because of when they did it.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
I could be wrong though.

 Yep Sometimes, I think I'm the only one who dislikes both OoT and GTAIV



LordTheNightKnight said:
TheRealMafoo said:

Why does that bother you? If you are letting GTAIV motivate you to post this, you need to review your priorities in life my friend :)

God, the old fanboy assunmption fallacy. I'm almost tempeted to flip you off for "deciding" my motivation for this, but I will not since I'm not going to be rude here.

This is based on the objective numbers, and the objective laws which they are run. Just because you think there is bias driving that only proves you think there is bias, not that there actually is.


 


I am glad you didn't flip me off, as you would have because you think I am "reading" something into your post that you say is not there. And all I did, was ask a question. I did not presume to know the answer. It would have been rather hypocritical of you to do so ;)

We know nothing about that site. For all we know, they could have always based there internal scores on a 100 point system, and then floored it to two levels of fidelity. So a 7.88, would be a 7.8 on there site. Going forward, they might floor all there new reviews as well. Meaning a 6.86 would be a 6. If that's there internal policy, meaning they would have done that on all games from the start, they are well within there right to do so without it being lazy.

I am sure you don't care about that one little site, you probably care more about how that site effect GameRankings.com. 

It still has a 97.4 on that site and in the top 3 games ever made, so it's regarded as a great game. What's your concern?

 



pearljammer said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
I could be wrong though.

Yep Sometimes, I think I'm the only one who dislikes both OoT and GTAIV


That was about the possible bias of those arguing with me, not abut Zelda or GTA.



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LordTheNightKnight said:


Also, right or wrong. cubed3 had lousy timing in making this adjustment. 
 

I am sorry, I don't follow you here. What's wrong with the timing? I mean you have already stated that GTAIV has nothing to do with this post, and aside from that, I can't see where this timing matters.

Is there a new Zelda coming out or something? Please explain.