Final-Fan said: I didn't mean entirely digital distribution. Speaking of DD, how much space do those games take up? How long does it take to put another game on it if you want to play one you don't have on the PC anymore? I have only used Steam a few times so I really don't know. How do you know they will always be available? Does the publisher have the ability to "recall" a game? I must admit I did misunderstand what you meant by disc changing. The online gaming stuff is definitely superior; I can only hope that consoles will catch up in the next great leap. Their capacity for incremental advances is understandably limited. And I stand by my central assertion in the quoted material.

My Steam folder (which includes all 14 games) is a total of 26.8GB in size.  My PC has a 360GB HDD.  I'm not sure I understand the second question.  It takes some time to download and install a game (at most a few hours for a big one like CoD4).  Valve has promised that if Steam ever dies, they will release a client to allow you to play your games from it. 

That said, all Steam games can be copied to a CD and backed up whenever you please.  I don't believe a publisher can "recall" your game, but if you are caught cheating online Valve can take your game away and you'll be forced to re-purchase it.  Repeat offenses can result in a banned Steam account.  

The thing is consoles can't really catch up to many of these features next gen because they depend on digital distribution, and as I said any console focusing on it that heavily would struggle with retail support.  The PSP has very little of it and was almost booted out of Best Buy pre-PSP Slim. 

FaRmLaNd said: ssj12 said: FaRmLaNd said: Australia has more cell phones then people. no Japan does. They also have the craziest game ever. http://news.smh.com.au/technology/australia-now-has-more-cell-phones-than-people-official-figures-show-20080428-2958.html   :P

 wow lol

ssj12 said: FaRmLaNd said: ssj12 said: FaRmLaNd said: Australia has more cell phones then people. no Japan does. They also have the craziest game ever. http://news.smh.com.au/technology/australia-now-has-more-cell-phones-than-people-official-figures-show-20080428-2958.html   :P wow lol

That's easily one of the best statistics I've ever seen.

I know its crazy.

 

Sorry to derail the thread. But people mentioned cell phone domination and I wanted to just confirm that in Australia, we're well and truly dominated. No idea about games sales on them though. Probably not as high as PC. I mean I probabaly have like 60/70 pc games I've purchased (just from retail). I've purchased 0 mobile games.  

ssj12 said: OT7 said: Wauw,what a thread,I was expecting this since long ago seeing how both of you (ssj12&Naz) praise the PC,you deploy in full rampage here guys,nice statements and good numbers all around. Both of you show your true faces!!! Ultimate PC-fanboys :P I really want to get in the PC gaming but I don't have your hardware's knowledge :( we will help plus there are many titles that dont take much to run.

OT7:  if you have $500 and time to spend, and aren't terrified of building PCs, it should not be too hard to find enthusiasts online to help walk you through it.  The only thing to watch out for is fanboys saying "Intel suxxors buy AMD" or vice versa, or the ATI/nVidia version of that, or people telling you you HAVE to get the stuff that will play (insert stupidly demanding game here).  Basically, visit two or three forums or get advice from a dozen different people and you're probably safe. 

Final-Fan said: ssj12 said: OT7 said: Wauw,what a thread,I was expecting this since long ago seeing how both of you (ssj12&Naz) praise the PC,you deploy in full rampage here guys,nice statements and good numbers all around. Both of you show your true faces!!! Ultimate PC-fanboys :P I really want to get in the PC gaming but I don't have your hardware's knowledge :( we will help plus there are many titles that dont take much to run. OT7: if you have $500 and time to spend, and aren't terrified of building PCs, it should not be too hard to find enthusiasts online to help walk you through it. The only thing to watch out for is fanboys saying "Intel suxxors buy AMD" or vice versa, or the ATI/nVidia version of that, or people telling you you HAVE to get the stuff that will play (insert stupidly demanding game here). Basically, visit two or three forums or get advice from a dozen different people and you're probably safe.

Hey now! You don't trust ssj and I? Honestly though brand isn't that important, but you definitely should learn what brands not to buy.  There are a lot of good brands, and a few bad ones.  Just make sure you know the few bad ones hehe. 

I built my last gaming pc from scratch. It saved me a lot of money and I got a faster pc out of it aswell. Its not hard at all. Think of it as lego, piece A goes into piece B rinse repeat. BTW my gaming machine is 4 years old and I still play games on it. PC's don't age too badly.

Yeah, so basically Naz and SSJ12 think they know more than developers who actually make games because they sit on thier asses and videogame chat and play PC games. :) Nice but you guys are clueless compared to developers.

Atleast have the guts to respond to someone who just called you out/OWNED you guys. Obviously I just killed it right there. You guys don't know more than an actual developer, who is a part of the video game industry and makes millions off of video games. So I guess me and my boy Clif B just "won".

PC gamers are the minorty. Too bad all that trying you guys did to convince me otherwise totally failed.
:)

Those are my final words of "pwnage". :)

 

Good night gentleman.

As a once avid PC gamer and now a prospective PC gamer, the info you two, ssj and naz, have shared is much appreciated... especially that list of exclusives this year.

Looking for a budget gaming PC there now actually, just started looking and I came up with this just yesterday (looking to stay ~800-900)

Phenom 9500
2GB - 800
8800 gt or 9600 gt/ 3750/70
Abit mobo (can't remember model)
500GB HDD 7200

Any advice? I haven't been caught up on the hardware in years.

Sorry to derail the topic, but Starcraft 2 has me excited about PC gaming again. OT: When I think about everyone I know with a PC, I'd estimate 90% of them play some form of game on them.

pearljammer said: As a once avid PC gamer and now a prospective PC gamer, the info you two, ssj and naz, have shared is much appreciated... especially that list of exclusives this year. Looking for a budget gaming PC there now actually, just started looking and I came up with this just yesterday (looking to stay ~800-900) Phenom 9500 2GB - 800 8800 gt or 9600 gt/ 3750/70 Abit mobo (can't remember model) 500GB HDD 7200 Any advice? I haven't been caught up on the hardware in years. Sorry to derail the topic, but Starcraft 2 has me excited about PC gaming again. OT: When I think about everyone I know with a PC, I'd estimate 90% of them play some form of game on them.

 Wait till next month. GPU prices are going to drop.