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ssj12 on 19 May 2008
Foshoryuken said:
I think people would rather make a game that sells 4.5 million copies than a million and “Gears” is at 4.5 million right now on the 360. I think the PC is just in disarray… what’s driving the PC right now is ‘Sims’-type games and ‘WoW‘ and a lot of stuff that’s in a web-based interface. You just click on it and play it. That’s the direction PC is evolving into So for me, the PC is kind of the secondary part of what we’re doing. It’s important for us, but right now making AAA games on consoles is where we’re at.


-Cliffy B

 So they would rather make $7 per copy when they could sell 2 million on steam and make more then they ever would on a console. Cliffy is an idiot. He is just a face that people talk to because he looks like he knows wtf he is talking about. The general industry has shown he does not.

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naznatips on 19 May 2008
Foshoryuken said:
I think people would rather make a game that sells 4.5 million copies than a million and “Gears” is at 4.5 million right now on the 360. I think the PC is just in disarray… what’s driving the PC right now is ‘Sims’-type games and ‘WoW‘ and a lot of stuff that’s in a web-based interface. You just click on it and play it. That’s the direction PC is evolving into So for me, the PC is kind of the secondary part of what we’re doing. It’s important for us, but right now making AAA games on consoles is where we’re at.


-Cliffy B

I'm glad you found a pure console developer's opinion on PC gaming to try and win a battle of facts.  Without numbers you have no argument, just opinions.  Let's be realistic here.  At this point you would earn far more respect by admitting you were ignorant to many facts and factors of PC gaming than you will by continuing straw-man opinion based statements.



Final-Fan on 19 May 2008
naznatips said:
Foshoryuken said:
Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?
Oh yes, it's totally fair to pit the PC against 4 consoles *rolls eyes.* Can we do that with all consoles? NESSNESN64GCWiiGBGBCGBA vs. DS? Wow man the DS sucks.
But isn't that exactlywhat ssj12 had asserted in this thread?  PC > console (collectively)

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ssj12 on 19 May 2008
Final-Fan said:
F'rinstance, I point out that I believe that there is a dearth of 3D platforming on the PC (and I did not mention until now that I also think that it is inherently superior with console-type controllers) and all he does is point to two platformers on the PC. Onoes, I am disproven! (only not)

 I pointed to more then 2. In that massive ist there were 3 others plus the ones that have been relased through indie channels and in the past. I will admit that 3D patformers are lacking but thats what a N64 emulator will fix.



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naznatips on 19 May 2008
Final-Fan said:
naznatips said:
Foshoryuken said:
Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?
Oh yes, it's totally fair to pit the PC against 4 consoles *rolls eyes.* Can we do that with all consoles? NESSNESN64GCWiiGBGBCGBA vs. DS? Wow man the DS sucks.
But isn't that exactlywhat ssj12 had asserted in this thread? PC > console (collectively)

Well I'm not, I'm arguing the general superiority of PC as an individual gaming platform.  Certainly in online and casual gaming though SSJ's argument is correct.  There is evidence of this aplenty in my post.  Not to mention outside the games that generate sales revenue there are tens of millions more people playing Solitar, flash games, and online chess than there are playing casual games on consoles. 



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Final-Fan on 19 May 2008
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
F'rinstance, I point out that I believe that there is a dearth of 3D platforming on the PC (and I did not mention until now that I also think that it is inherently superior with console-type controllers) and all he does is point to two platformers on the PC. Onoes, I am disproven! (only not)
I pointed to more then 2. In that massive ist there were 3 others plus the ones that have been relased through indie channels and in the past. I will admit that 3D patformers are lacking but thats what a N64 emulator will fix.
Oh, so we're counting emulators now? 

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ssj12 on 19 May 2008
naznatips said:
Final-Fan said:
naznatips said:
Foshoryuken said:
Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?
Oh yes, it's totally fair to pit the PC against 4 consoles *rolls eyes.* Can we do that with all consoles? NESSNESN64GCWiiGBGBCGBA vs. DS? Wow man the DS sucks.
But isn't that exactlywhat ssj12 had asserted in this thread? PC > console (collectively)

Well I'm not, I'm arguing the general superiority of PC as an individual gaming platform.  Certainly in online and casual gaming though SSJ's argument is correct.  There is evidence of this aplenty in my post.  Not to mention outside the games that generate sales revenue there are tens of millions more people playing Solitar, flash games, and online chess than there are playing casual games on consoles. 


We cannot leave out the people that are signing up and palying online-poker and all sorts of other games. There are also the web-based games that you have to sign-up to play. 



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ssj12 on 19 May 2008
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
F'rinstance, I point out that I believe that there is a dearth of 3D platforming on the PC (and I did not mention until now that I also think that it is inherently superior with console-type controllers) and all he does is point to two platformers on the PC. Onoes, I am disproven! (only not)
I pointed to more then 2. In that massive ist there were 3 others plus the ones that have been relased through indie channels and in the past. I will admit that 3D patformers are lacking but thats what a N64 emulator will fix.
Oh, so we're counting emulators now? 

 Nope just saying there are ways to get around issues.



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Final-Fan on 19 May 2008
ssj12 said:
naznatips said:
Final-Fan said:
naznatips said:
Foshoryuken said:
Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?
Oh yes, it's totally fair to pit the PC against 4 consoles *rolls eyes.* Can we do that with all consoles? NESSNESN64GCWiiGBGBCGBA vs. DS? Wow man the DS sucks.
But isn't that exactlywhat ssj12 had asserted in this thread? PC > console (collectively)
Well I'm not, I'm arguing the general superiority of PC as an individual gaming platform. Certainly in online and casual gaming though SSJ's argument is correct. There is evidence of this aplenty in my post. Not to mention outside the games that generate sales revenue there are tens of millions more people playing Solitar, flash games, and online chess than there are playing casual games on consoles.
We cannot leave out the people that are signing up and palying online-poker and all sorts of other games. There are also the web-based games that you have to sign-up to play.
I wonder how many of those web-based games the Wii and PS3 support.  (Side note:  I can imagine that may be pretty huge next gen.)

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Foshoryuken on 19 May 2008

I think Cliff B would know more.

That is why he makes millions off of PC games and you guys sit on your asses and play them.