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ssj12 on 19 May 2008
Foshoryuken said:

I disagree SSJ12 . Besides the fact cellphone's sell more than PC that must mean Celphone is top dog.

 

BTW ssj12 you were getting completely owned before Naz came in and "saved"  you. :)

 

PC gamers are IMO the minorty and some freeware, indie games and "15 million users" from Steam isn't gonna change my mind about that.

 

Most PC games are on console nowadays anyways.

As someone stated earlier console is the new and where it is at. And I agree with that.

Even my boy Cliffy B agrees with me.

 

Apples and Oranges I guess. :)


 no one will ever state cell phones dont control the handheld gaming market.

Plus how was I getting owned? I stated facts, just didnt have sources. I asked Naz to find sources and provide back-up. 



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Foshoryuken on 19 May 2008

Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?



ssj12 on 19 May 2008
Foshoryuken said:
Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?

 No I wouldnt.



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Final-Fan on 19 May 2008

That is a truly amazing post naznatips and it's such a shame that ssj12 has bitten off so much more than he can chew that even your most excellent post cannot back up all the stuff he's said about PC domination.



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ssj12 on 19 May 2008
Final-Fan said:
That is a truly amazing post naznatips and it's such a shame that ssj12 has bitten off so much more than he can chew that even your most excellent post cannot back up all the stuff he's said about PC domination.

 Oh no, it did. If you notice all he is throwing now is random things while failing at it.



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naznatips on 19 May 2008
Foshoryuken said:
Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?

Oh yes, it's totally fair to pit the PC against 4 consoles *rolls eyes.* Can we do that with all consoles?  NESSNESN64GCWiiGBGBCGBA vs. DS?  Wow man the DS sucks.



shio on 19 May 2008
Final-Fan said:
 
How many PCs are used for gaming? Gaming other than Minesweeper, Solitaire, Freecell and any other game that is preinstalled on whatever OS people may be using? Is it a number to make 300 million look like "total domination"? Or perhaps you disagree with my numbers. I don't complain too much if you do, since they are one-half bullshit meets one-half utter speculation. But what is YOUR estimate, and how did you arrive at it?

PCGA stated there are 263 million online PC gamers worldwide (source). That pretty much excludes people who only play Minesweeper and the like.

 

psrock said:
i'm sorry ssj12, but before i go to bed i need to say this:

PC gaming used to be big, it used to showcase graphics and fps, but things have changed, consoles have stolen pc's thunder. It may have some great jam left, but its a dying genre believe it or not. Consoles is where its at now. Blame wiifit.

and most of the best pc games will also be on consoles.

Consoles have not stolen anything. PC still gets much more games, better versions and more 'AAA' exclusives. If you disagree with me, then see the list ssj12 just showed (and there are still a bunch of recently announced games not listed).

And PC is still the showcase of graphics, or did you fail to see Crysis? 

FPS? There were 85 FPS releases last year on PC. And only 70 on Wii/360/PS3/DS/PSP/MAC combined. (source).

TheRealMafoo said:


Well he has a point. I mean GTAIV, SSBB, MK, MGS4, SMG, and Halo3 all look better on the PC ;)

For me it's all about the games, and not the device your playing them on. For almost all cross platform games that are also on the PC, the PC wins. But if you only play the PC, you are missing out on the majority of great games out there.

 Just like if you play only 1 Console, you miss out on the majority of great games. What your point?

 

TheRealMafoo said:
TheRealMafoo said:
if PC games are always better, like in your Sig, why do you own a PS3, or any PS3 games?

I will expand on my point.... Here is your sig:

 

PC: Half-Life 2/The Orange Box/GoldenEye Mod; Day of Defeat/Source; CounterStrike/Source/ProMod Alpha; Unreal Tournament/2004/3; Warcraft III/Frozen Throne;

PS3: R&C:FToD; Pain; Poker; Warhawk; HVB; GTA4; echochrome

PC gaming is better then console gaming. Always.

If that's true, then R&C must have a superior alternative on the PC market, and if so, why are you not playing it? Same with Warhawk. Obviously that's a foolish choice, as PC gaming is always better.

Consoles have a place in gaming. Your decision to own, and play, one proves that the PC is not always better.

 

 3D Platformers and Action-adventure are probably the weakest genres on PC, so R&C stands alone. But Warhawk?? Dude, IL-2 Sturmovik makes Warhawk eat dust, and wait until you see Storm of War: Battle of Britain, which will totaly crush Warhawk and Ace Combat 6. 

 

ssj12 said:
psrock said:
i'm sorry ssj12, but before i go to bed i need to say this:

PC gaming used to be big, it used to showcase graphics and fps, but things have changed, consoles have stolen pc's thunder. It may have some great jam left, but its a dying genre believe it or not. Consoles is where its at now. Blame wiifit.

and most of the best pc games will also be on consoles.

Say that after looking at this list

The 2008 EXCLUSIVES

[BIGASS PC LIST]

 

 And the list is nowhere near completed, there are ALOT of games missing, such as Battlefield Heroes, Demigod, Battleforge, Magic Online 3,  Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor (which has right now 96.5% on Gamerankings), Mythos, Dimensity, Trackmania Nation Forever (90% on gamerankings), etc...

 



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Final-Fan on 19 May 2008

F'rinstance, I point out that I believe that there is a dearth of 3D platforming on the PC (and I did not mention until now that I also think that it is inherently superior with console-type controllers) and all he does is point to two platformers on the PC. Onoes, I am disproven! (only not)



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ssj12 on 19 May 2008
shio said:
Final-Fan said:
 
How many PCs are used for gaming? Gaming other than Minesweeper, Solitaire, Freecell and any other game that is preinstalled on whatever OS people may be using? Is it a number to make 300 million look like "total domination"? Or perhaps you disagree with my numbers. I don't complain too much if you do, since they are one-half bullshit meets one-half utter speculation. But what is YOUR estimate, and how did you arrive at it?

PCGA stated there are 263 million online PC gamers worldwide (source). That pretty much excludes people who only play Minesweeper and the like.

 

psrock said:
i'm sorry ssj12, but before i go to bed i need to say this:

PC gaming used to be big, it used to showcase graphics and fps, but things have changed, consoles have stolen pc's thunder. It may have some great jam left, but its a dying genre believe it or not. Consoles is where its at now. Blame wiifit.

and most of the best pc games will also be on consoles.

Consoles have not stolen anything. PC still gets much more games, better versions and more 'AAA' exclusives. If you disagree with me, then see the list ssj12 just showed (and there are still a bunch of recently announced games not listed).

And PC is still the showcase of graphics, or did you fail to see Crysis? 

FPS? There were 85 FPS releases last year on PC. And only 70 on Wii/360/PS3/DS/PSP/MAC combined. (source).

TheRealMafoo said:


Well he has a point. I mean GTAIV, SSBB, MK, MGS4, SMG, and Halo3 all look better on the PC ;)

For me it's all about the games, and not the device your playing them on. For almost all cross platform games that are also on the PC, the PC wins. But if you only play the PC, you are missing out on the majority of great games out there.

 Just like if you play only 1 Console, you miss out on the majority of great games. What your point?

 

TheRealMafoo said:
TheRealMafoo said:
if PC games are always better, like in your Sig, why do you own a PS3, or any PS3 games?

I will expand on my point.... Here is your sig:

 

PC: Half-Life 2/The Orange Box/GoldenEye Mod; Day of Defeat/Source; CounterStrike/Source/ProMod Alpha; Unreal Tournament/2004/3; Warcraft III/Frozen Throne;

PS3: R&C:FToD; Pain; Poker; Warhawk; HVB; GTA4; echochrome

PC gaming is better then console gaming. Always.

If that's true, then R&C must have a superior alternative on the PC market, and if so, why are you not playing it? Same with Warhawk. Obviously that's a foolish choice, as PC gaming is always better.

Consoles have a place in gaming. Your decision to own, and play, one proves that the PC is not always better.

 

 3D Platformers and Action-adventure are probably the weakest genres on PC, so R&C stands alone. But Warhawk?? Dude, IL-2 Sturmovik makes Warhawk eat dust, and wait until you see Storm of War: Battle of Britain, which will totaly crush Warhawk and Ace Combat 6. 

 

ssj12 said:
psrock said:
i'm sorry ssj12, but before i go to bed i need to say this:

PC gaming used to be big, it used to showcase graphics and fps, but things have changed, consoles have stolen pc's thunder. It may have some great jam left, but its a dying genre believe it or not. Consoles is where its at now. Blame wiifit.

and most of the best pc games will also be on consoles.

Say that after looking at this list

The 2008 EXCLUSIVES

[BIGASS PC LIST]

 

 And the list is nowhere near completed, there are ALOT of games missing, such as Battlefield Heroes, Demigod, Battleforge, Magic Online 3,  Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor (which has right now 96.5% on Gamerankings), Mythos, Dimensity, Trackmania Nation Forever (90% on gamerankings), etc...

 


 Dont forget that the PCGA doesnt track indie titles very well.



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Foshoryuken on 19 May 2008

I think people would rather make a game that sells 4.5 million copies than a million and “Gears” is at 4.5 million right now on the 360. I think the PC is just in disarray… what’s driving the PC right now is ‘Sims’-type games and ‘WoW‘ and a lot of stuff that’s in a web-based interface. You just click on it and play it. That’s the direction PC is evolving into So for me, the PC is kind of the secondary part of what we’re doing. It’s important for us, but right now making AAA games on consoles is where we’re at.


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