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TheRealMafoo said:
if PC games are always better, like in your Sig, why do you own a PS3, or any PS3 games?

 I will expand on my point.... Here is your sig:

 

PC: Half-Life 2/The Orange Box/GoldenEye Mod; Day of Defeat/Source; CounterStrike/Source/ProMod Alpha; Unreal Tournament/2004/3; Warcraft III/Frozen Throne;

PS3: R&C:FToD; Pain; Poker; Warhawk; HVB; GTA4; echochrome

PC gaming is better then console gaming. Always.

If that's true, then R&C must have a superior alternative on the PC market, and if so, why are you not playing it? Same with Warhawk. Obviously that's a foolish choice, as PC gaming is always better.

Consoles have a place in gaming. Your decision to own, and play, one proves that the PC is not always better.

 



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psrock said:
i'm sorry ssj12, but before i go to bed i need to say this:

PC gaming used to be big, it used to showcase graphics and fps, but things have changed, consoles have stolen pc's thunder. It may have some great jam left, but its a dying genre believe it or not. Consoles is where its at now. Blame wiifit.

and most of the best pc games will also be on consoles.

Say that after looking at this list

The 2008 EXCLUSIVES

STRATEGY


Starcraft 2


Empire: Total War

SPORE

Disciples III: Renaissance

Sins of the Solar Empire

Jagged Alliance 3

Worldshift

Multiwinia

Cities Unlimited

Europa Universalis Rome

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Soulstorm

Seven Kingdoms: Conquest

Panzers: Cold War

Perimeter 2


ADVENTURE

Gray Matter

A Vampyre Story

Heaven

Simon the Sorcerer 4

Treasure Island

Overclocked

Sinking Island

Still Life 2

Alternativa

Perry Rhodan

Memento Mori

Nostradamus - The Last Prophecy

Experience123

The Whispered World

 



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TheRealMafoo said:
TheRealMafoo said:
if PC games are always better, like in your Sig, why do you own a PS3, or any PS3 games?

 I will expand on my point.... Here is your sig:

 

PC: Half-Life 2/The Orange Box/GoldenEye Mod; Day of Defeat/Source; CounterStrike/Source/ProMod Alpha; Unreal Tournament/2004/3; Warcraft III/Frozen Throne;

PS3: R&C:FToD; Pain; Poker; Warhawk; HVB; GTA4; echochrome

PC gaming is better then console gaming. Always.

If that's true, then R&C must have a superior alternative on the PC market, and if so, why are you not playing it? Same with Warhawk. Obviously that's a foolish choice, as PC gaming is always better.

Consoles have a place in gaming. Your decision to own, and play, one proves that the PC is not always better.

 

I own a PS3 because it has a Blu-ray drive mainly and it works well as a second desktop with linux inistalled.

That does not mean I can't own games for it.



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Foshoryuken said:
SSJ12 what game are you talking about?

Travis Must die?

Wingman?

Loops Hoops?

Like I said, I googled Auidiosurf and only 800k results showed.

That doesn't seem like that popular of a game to me.
Hence, why I never heard of it.

 That's a horrible comparison.  The term "audiosurf" would most likely only bring up results pertaining to te game, as "audiosurf" isn't a word on it's own.  Googling "red steel" however would return results including every web page that happens to use those two words, ranging from games, to encyclopedias, to the official websites of iron ore refineries. 



TheRealMafoo said:
TheRealMafoo said:
if PC games are always better, like in your Sig, why do you own a PS3, or any PS3 games?

 I will expand on my point.... Here is your sig:

 

PC: Half-Life 2/The Orange Box/GoldenEye Mod; Day of Defeat/Source; CounterStrike/Source/ProMod Alpha; Unreal Tournament/2004/3; Warcraft III/Frozen Throne;

PS3: R&C:FToD; Pain; Poker; Warhawk; HVB; GTA4; echochrome

PC gaming is better then console gaming. Always.

If that's true, then R&C must have a superior alternative on the PC market, and if so, why are you not playing it? Same with Warhawk. Obviously that's a foolish choice, as PC gaming is always better.

Consoles have a place in gaming. Your decision to own, and play, one proves that the PC is not always better.

 


Zelda is the greatest franchise ever.  That doesn't keep me from playing MGS, now does it?

And you're taking his sig far too seriously. 

In general, PC gaming is the best.  However, that doesn't hold true for ALL genres (platformers and action/adventure gamers are often better on consoles, aside from graphics), and just because he likes certain genres better on PC, doesn't mean he won't play them on another platform.  

For example, I think that the PC is by far the superior platform for FPS, yet there are few FPS games that I actually like, and of the few I do like (for story/artistic reasons), some are only on consoles.  If Resistance had a PC counterpart, I probably would've purchased it instead, but it didn't. However, for games like FEAR, HL2, Portal, etc., the PC version is by far the better version, and that is the version I own.



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makingmusic476 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
TheRealMafoo said:
if PC games are always better, like in your Sig, why do you own a PS3, or any PS3 games?

 I will expand on my point.... Here is your sig:

 

PC: Half-Life 2/The Orange Box/GoldenEye Mod; Day of Defeat/Source; CounterStrike/Source/ProMod Alpha; Unreal Tournament/2004/3; Warcraft III/Frozen Throne;

PS3: R&C:FToD; Pain; Poker; Warhawk; HVB; GTA4; echochrome

PC gaming is better then console gaming. Always.

If that's true, then R&C must have a superior alternative on the PC market, and if so, why are you not playing it? Same with Warhawk. Obviously that's a foolish choice, as PC gaming is always better.

Consoles have a place in gaming. Your decision to own, and play, one proves that the PC is not always better.

 


Zelda is the greatest franchise ever.  That doesn't keep me from playing MGS, now does it?

You shouldn't be looking at this in terms of absolutes.  In general, PC gaming is the best.  However, that doesn't hold true for ALL genres (platformers and action/adventure gamers are often better on consoles, aside from graphics), and just because he likes certain genres better on PC, doesn't mean he won't play them on another platform.  

For example, I think that the PC is by far the superior platform for FPS, yet there are few FPS games that I actually like, and of the few I do like (for story/artistic reasons), some are only on consoles.  If Resistance had a PC counterpart, I probably would've purchased it instead, but it didn't. However, for games like FEAR, HL2, Portal, etc., the PC version is by far the better version, and that is the version I own.


 Try Gish for your platformer and the upcoming game Heaven. 



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SSJ12 Im willing to bet 10% of those games will sell a million
I might be too generous



This is my ultimate post. A fact-filled false information busting beast of legitimate sources, information, and arguments. I present for your pleasure, the real facts on PC gaming:

Popcap Games = Bejeweled, Peggle, Zuma, etc. They make dozens of casual games. Obviously their biggest is Bejeweled, but they have certainly been incredibly successful in that market. They have been downloaded more than 175 million times. They are also played an estimated 3 billion player minutes per month. They make the console casual market look minuscule and insignificant. Saying you don't know Popcap games is like me saying I don't know Activision or EA. They are insanely profitable. None of these sales and downloads were tracked by NPD by the way.

NPD reported there were about 268 million games sold in 2007. About 36 million were PC games. 154 million were consoles (the rest were handhelds obviously). Let's just divide that number into fourths for the PS2, Wii, PS3, and 360. That's 38.5 million per console. That means that the PC managed to nearly match individual console game sales, without a single downloadable title counted. There are 15 million active untracked Steam accounts. Not only that, but Steam saw a sales increase of 158% year over year in holiday 2007 versus Holiday 2006. Newell estimates a developer can see a profit of $30 on a $50 game sold on Steam versus about $7.50 sold in retail. That's a 60% profit on Steam and a 15% profit in retail. Four times the profit on Steam... not to mention if you license Valve's engine for your game you will get 100% of the profits from Steam sales!

Many companies who don't have Steam sell their games over their websites or over other digital services like Gametap. Sins of a Solar Empire did amazing just from website sales according to their devs. Call of Duty 4 has topped sales on Steam almost every day since its release.

All this, and the US isn't even the PC's strongest market. It's nowhere near as big as Korea and Europe. Tell people in Korea that the PC market is dying and they'll just laugh at you. It's amazing the kind of success small-name games have found on the PC. Sam & Max, Audiosurf, and thousands of indie games. Audiosurf has been a runaway success. Sam & Max has pioneered episodic gaming and is the single longest running series of episodic content in gamingi history.

Now that we've talked about sales, let's talk about the gamers themselves. Xbox Live is the biggest place for online gaming right? Hah! Xbox Live has had 10 million people even connect to it in its lifetime. Maybe 1/3 of those actually pay for a gold account to play online. Steam has more than 15 million active subscribers. Steam is by its very nature a totally free online gaming service, and it's just one in a dozen! There is Gametap, X-Fire, Gas Powered Games, EANation, Battle.net, many others for individual games, and that's not even counting 16 million plus active MMORPG accounts.

And that's just the paid for MMORPGs. I'm here to tell you about a little game called Maple Story. Maple Story has more than 33 million subscribers... as of freaking 2006. It generated more than $300 million in revenue since its inception. It's only grown since then.

Online gaming is miniscule on consoles. No, I should say it's inconsequential compared to the PC market. PC is the place for online gaming, for competitive gaming, for FPS and RTS gaming, for indie games, and for anyone willing to use Steam to get their game out there. A well-built PC can outlast a console generation with nothing but a new graphics card every couple years. A smart PC gamer waits till a new generation starts (or a year after) to upgrade his rig.

PC gaming provides more services, has more online gamers, and has nearly equal software sales to individual consoles in retail alone. All of this with cheaper games, better (and free) online services, and digital distribution services that make XBL, PSN, and WiiWare look like jokes. It is a haven for hardcore and casual gamers, developers both established and indie, and it is a market that only grows as digital distribution and internet connectivity becomes stronger.

 

And that, my friends, is the facts on PC gaming.



Foshoryuken said:
SSJ12 Im willing to bet 10% of those games will sell a million
I might be too generous

Crysis sold a million in less than three months, despite it's insane hardware requirements.

PC sales are quite healthy, especially when you take into account digital distribution services like Steam.



ssj12 said:

The computer. From 2006 to now the PC has outsold the Wii, PS3, 360, and PS2 combined. Why? Its the greatest platform of entertainment available.

 

Now the fanboy wars on this site should end. There is no way the Wii can outsell the PC.


 there is no way that you can even compare the sales of the pc to the consoles currently available. videogame consoles are used primarily for gaming while the pc is not. businesses buy them, cavemen's buy them, heck, even grandparents purchase a pc or two for the homes. 

 I do realize that you are trying to make a point about the sales of x console vs. pc but honestly, it holds no ground. the pc is definitely the greatest platform of entertainment available but the majority of individuals in developed countries use them on a daily basis. the same cannot be said about x videogame console. 

 as a matter of fact, if you really wanted to into logistics, the pc has outsold every single piece of videogame consoles and handhelds combined since it's inception.  



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