http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=27711

^ Microsoft is trying to get rid of old non Falcon 360 stock.

 MS selling old consoles as 'new' - buyers beware

French website logic-sunrise who is usually pretty clued up on these things indicates that Microsoft's new 199 Euro's Xbox 360 packs with 2 games and 2 wireless controllers are in fact OLD machines. After opening 10 of them, they found that the machines have been converted to new and all have non-falcon motherboards, old Hitachi 47 or Samsung MS25 drives and the repair center sticker on them. They suggest that you do not buy these packs and if you want a brand new machine, then fork out 199 Euro's for the arcade pack or 269 Euro's for the premium pack.

is it official?cause if it's proven they can be sued for that. it's MS I guess ,nothing is impossible.

I guess it is a French site bashing MS

For your information, the logic-sunrise website is somewhat related to console modding (see the links on their site). They're also known for their up-to-date "release list" (nfo files from pirated ROM or ISO)...

(i'm french and I ordered one of these 2 days ago)

I found an other site that said some of these had the BenQ drive and an other site that said these were the OPUS versions (non HDMI core retooled)... these guys opened 10 and said there was the service sticker in there, with a user comment talking about pen marks and blood on the case (inside for the blood).

But it could also be stock that has been modified to lower RROD and is still new...just older.

I hardly think this could be pre owned consoles... they certainly are not sold as such (then again I wouldn't mind a lawsuit check :p)

 If I were you I would hold of for 1 week to see if it really is refurb or not.unless you don't care.